Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Bruce Wayne said:
The ridiculous thing is that the party that is doing so much to erode such a basic freedom is the same party who are apparently all for individual liberty.
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Bruce, when in history has there been a basic freedom to live anywhere you want. Can I set up camp in my next door neighbours garden ? Can anyone just move into your home ? So what is this basic freedom and when do you believe it came into being or indeed into law ?
 
peteblue said:
Now, of course, if this particular government deliberately accepted lower standard food produce or even encouraged it then you would be correct to raise this. But they haven’t have they......
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So, lets say we are trying to get a trade deal with the US, and their terms are we accept US meat standards for their exports to us, who will win that tug of war?

Bearing in mind, our standards are "not enshrined in law".
 
mellowblue said:
Don't think any leavers voted for lower food standards....did they?
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They'll say they did and they knew all along that that would be part of the process. What is low food standards when we have our sovereignty though? Even though we gave up our high standards because a country dictated to get a trade deal with them we need to drop these... :Blink:

peteblue said:
I’ve just had a KFC....
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Kentucky Fried Chlorinated-chicken.
 
roydo said:
So, lets say we are trying to get a trade deal with the US, and their terms are we accept US meat standards for their exports to us, who will win that tug of war?

Bearing in mind, our standards are "not enshrined in law".
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The products that come from the USA or any other country would have to meet the standards of the U.K. from a health perspective. So food would be safe. The issue is about what conditions the rearing of animals and their treatment are used, housing, transportation etc. So if the EU or our animal welfare people decided that each chicken must have its own hut, or a nice comfy bed with heating, and the price of a chicken rose to £200, my guess is that you might just complain. This debate is not about the quality of food, it’s about the price v the cost of production....
 
The binman chronicles said:
They'll say they did and they knew all along that that would be part of the process. What is low food standards when we have our sovereignty though? Even though we gave up our high standards because a country dictated to get a trade deal with them we need to drop these... :Blink
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You’re beyond help if you’ve somehow managed to convince yourself that you voted for actually lowering, LOWERING our food standards, which would only be necessary if we were to concede on this issue to another Nation.

It’s such a contradictory position, given that exactly the same people who are trying to justify this as a future action, are exactly the same people who claimed the benefit of leaving the EU would be that we’d have no one dictating rules to us and our Sovereignty would be unchallenged.

Yet here we are preparing to bend over to the US on food standards and in doing so accepting rules that would take us backwards from where we are, and it’d be an act that conceded Sovereignty.

But they went to Florida once and didn’t die of food poisoning so stop crying about it and ignore the blatant hypocrisy or something.
 
peteblue said:
The products that come from the USA or any other country would have to meet the standards of the U.K. from a health perspective. So food would be safe. The issue is about what conditions the rearing of animals and their treatment are used, housing, transportation etc. So if the EU or our animal welfare people decided that each chicken must have its own hut, or a nice comfy bed with heating, and the price of a chicken rose to £200, my guess is that you might just complain. This debate is not about the quality of food, it’s about the price v the cost of production....
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That enshrined in law anywhere?
 
peteblue said:
Bruce, when in history has there been a basic freedom to live anywhere you want. Can I set up camp in my next door neighbours garden ? Can anyone just move into your home ? So what is this basic freedom and when do you believe it came into being or indeed into law ?
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Border controls are a relatively new thing Pete, and in much of the world were introduced around the time of WW1. Before then, there was generally greater concern about stopping citizens from leaving as stopping them from arriving, as monarchies tended to 'own' the population. In the UK, border restrictions were beefed up as we started to get out of the numerous colonies we had around the world, and we didn't want people with brown skin coming to live here.

You seem to be conflating a freedom to live by the same rules as everyone else with some apparent freedom to break rules willy nilly and steal property. Open borders isn't about that and never has been. It's about allowing foreigners to live with the same freedoms in a country as native-born citizens, which is how things have been for the vast majority of humanity's existence.
 
The truly astounding thing is that Priti Patel's parents fled Uganda after Idi Amin declared that Asian-Ugandans were banned from the country, yet not only would her parents not be allowed into the UK under the rules she's now introducing, but she wishes to apply just such discriminatory and inhumane practices to non-UK citizens. It blows my mind tbh.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
You’re beyond help if you’ve somehow managed to convince yourself that you voted for actually lowering, LOWERING our food standards, which would only be necessary if we were to concede on this issue to another Nation.

It’s such a contradictory position, given that exactly the same people who are trying to justify this as a future action, are exactly the same people who claimed the benefit of leaving the EU would be that we’d have no one dictating rules to us and our Sovereignty would be unchallenged.

Yet here we are preparing to bend over to the US on food standards and in doing so accepting rules that would take us backwards from where we are, and it’d be an act that conceded Sovereignty.

But they went to Florida once and didn’t die of food poisoning so stop crying about it and ignore the blatant hypocrisy or something.
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100%. You can see a pattern here, no one voted for a no deal brexit. Even Farage et all said no posibilities of this but now they all knew this would be the case. During the vote they said we will be stronger and better off as a country out of the EU (probably tied to the above about getting a golden deal), now they don't mind being worse off.

With this food news how much more will have to be backtracked before they finally think they've been hoodwinked? Least no more Poles eh? ...Until we need more NHS staff and a deal will be signed to keep EU immigration at the current levels for the foreseeable in this time of crisis.

And funnily enough that will be the point they kick off... but nothing to do with racism you understand. :coffee:
 
peteblue said:
The products that come from the USA or any other country would have to meet the standards of the U.K. from a health perspective. So food would be safe. The issue is about what conditions the rearing of animals and their treatment are used, housing, transportation etc. So if the EU or our animal welfare people decided that each chicken must have its own hut, or a nice comfy bed with heating, and the price of a chicken rose to £200, my guess is that you might just complain. This debate is not about the quality of food, it’s about the price v the cost of production....
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No we we wouldn't, we'd just stop buying chicken.
 
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