Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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catcherintherye said:
Very few refugees actually want to come to England (it's a fraction of the number that go to say Germany). It's mainly because of language, or for the msot part immediate family are here. Brothers, sisters, children, wives, husbands etc. We should be sending the navy across to bring them over, and thus removing the point of contention with France. They can do as they please, but we should strive for something better. If people are willing to risk their lives to want to be in this country, thats a damn site better than a lot of people who live here and good enough for me.
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Well yes, Germany has been willing and able to accept its demographic situation and welcome newcomers, and it's been successful. Our hostile environment is making us a much less welcoming environment, which is a crying shame.
 
catcherintherye said:
Why don't we just volunteer to take the migrants the EU are not processing and give them asylum here? I am very critical of the EU on this subject, and it would be good to see us taking the moral high ground on the issue. In fairness, if they really want Brexit to be a lasting success (which Ihope it will be) such a measure will go a long way to ensure it will be. Lets not reduce our behaviour to the case standards of the EU, but strive for excellence.
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Moral high ground
Priti Patel

Mmm.
 
peteblue said:
I think you, like many, confuse racism with legality. The EU and U.K. have legal procedures in place to deal with those people who wish to make a life in the EU or U.K. , yet these things are not applied. Personally I care not from where anybody comes from, nor of what colour, but it should be legal. The EU’s own laws want people to be processed and made legal within the first country they arrive at. Once legal permission to stay has been given they can travel throughout the EU and while there apply, if they wish, legally, for permission to make a life in the U.K. which may or not be granted. France is behaving disgracefully in this regard as they should be either sending people back to the country of entry or they should be processing them. This is the real issue. I do care for these people and their lives, but France is not an oppressed state, nor is it at war with anybody. I have no problem with anyone from anywhere on this planet coming here, having previously stated that we should take in a hefty portion of the Hong Kong population who have a right to live here. Be generous, be welcoming, but do it legally.....
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I’m sure you’d say just the same if the law changed and all immigrants were allowed in.
What you mean, is the law, as it stands.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Come on Pete, you know full well that the government you back have made a longstanding play to victimise migrants and to make the legal approach more punitive. You're also well aware that the Swiss vote to which I refer was talking about the free movement of people, with no state getting involved in what is an inherently personal decision to move and settle somewhere. So you may say, as Johnson does, that you're a globalist with good intentions, yet your actual actions have made it harder for people who are not British to live and settle here, and for people who are British to do likewise throughout Europe.

With regards to your comment about France, once again you refuse to give the actual people involved any say in where they should live. Have you thought that they may not actually want to live in France? That maybe they have family or friends in the UK, or speak English as their second language rather than French? Maybe their qualifications are more recognised in Britain than in France? You choose to ignore all of that and just distribute people as though they're cattle. You've repeatedly ignored the fact that your home secretary was considering processing the applications of refugees after dumping the poor sods on an island thousands of miles away. That's the government you've been propping up for years.
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My comments about France are correct. All France has to do is process the people. Then from a position of legality they can apply to come to the U.K.. Indeed before we left at the end of January, if they had been processed, as they should have been, they could have just caught a train over as an EU citizen....
 
peteblue said:
My comments about France are correct. All France has to do is process the people. Then from a position of legality they can apply to come to the U.K.. Indeed before we left at the end of January, if they had been processed, as they should have been, they could have just caught a train over as an EU citizen....
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*sigh. Rule of law, rule of law, we love the rule of law until it gets in our way, then we harrange the courts, perogue parliament and break international treaties, all while our sycophants helpfully forget that they love the rule of law.
 
peteblue said:
My comments about France are correct. All France has to do is process the people. Then from a position of legality they can apply to come to the U.K.. Indeed before we left at the end of January, if they had been processed, as they should have been, they could have just caught a train over as an EU citizen....
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the only thing correct in this post is that you can take a train from France to the UK
 
Bruce Wayne said:
*sigh. Rule of law, rule of law, we love the rule of law until it gets in our way, then we harrange the courts, perogue parliament and break international treaties, all while our sycophants helpfully forget that they love the rule of law.
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Bruce, why did France not process the migrants in these camps?...really.....
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Because those people don't want to claim asylum in France. That's the whole reason they're in Calais ffs, and they have to stow away in trucks or cross in dinghies because there is no legal way for them to travel.
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The problem with this though is that makes them (in international law terms) not refugees, as they haven’t asked for help in the first safe country they’ve come to.
 
tsubaki said:
The problem with this though is that makes them (in international law terms) not refugees, as they haven’t asked for help in the first safe country they’ve come to.
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I wasn't of the impression that this was international law but rather an EU regulation. For instance, it won't apply to the UK from January 1st because it's an EU-specific law. Indeed, I thought international law states that refugees can apply for asylum in any country in which they land.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I wasn't of the impression that this was international law but rather an EU regulation. For instance, it won't apply to the UK from January 1st because it's an EU-specific law. Indeed, I thought international law states that refugees can apply for asylum in any country in which they land.
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That is very much my understanding too. It is the Eu's interpretation. Either way, they may not feel safe in France.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I wasn't of the impression that this was international law but rather an EU regulation. For instance, it won't apply to the UK from January 1st because it's an EU-specific law. Indeed, I thought international law states that refugees can apply for asylum in any country in which they land.
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Nothing legally, either in the 1951 Refugee Convention or EU law that requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another.

Although, the EU has the Dublin Regulations which let's an EU country require another to accept responsibility for an asylum claim where that tha person has previously entered another country or made a claim for asylum there.
 
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