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The Tories are desperately trying to make this absolute debacle about Brexit.

Only Brexit has happened, we’ve left, this is nothing to do with that tired old debate. it’s done.

What this is about, is them failing to deliver on their manifesto promises to deliver a fantastic tariff free trade deal and wanting to break International law, in order to ride back on a treaty that they agreed and signed in bad faith. As this entire shambles is about them still trying to keep those swivel eyed ERG loons onside by delivering the obvious commitment they made to them that persuaded them to vote for the WA last year.

Only it appears that Cummings underestimated just how strongly even many of their own feel about being as ridiculously irresponsible as this and flouting the actual law.

Cue them threatening to withdraw on whip shortly.

Down with unelected bureaucrats though. Oh the irony.
 
:Blink:

Surely no one seriously thought the UKIM Bill was in any real danger of beating defeated tonight?
No. Never in doubt. But, it's telling the constant chipping away of principles and values, the continued embarrassment, the PM looking utterly clueless. We've gone from a credible country to an international joke.

I don't know what's more worrying - that this shower will still get applauded like seal by the Telegraph/Express crowd or that Labour aren't miles ahead of them in the polls.
 
No. Never in doubt. But, it's telling the constant chipping away of principles and values, the continued embarrassment, the PM looking utterly clueless. We've gone from a credible country to an international joke.

I don't know what's more worrying - that this shower will still get applauded like seal by the Telegraph/Express crowd or that Labour aren't miles ahead of them in the polls.

It's bonkers mate. I have seen Javid and Cox being applauded for having "shown a spine" today.

Lol.

One of them knows international finance firms won't want someone who had a reasonable choice (abstain or for, they were never going to be against) of breaking a law or not.

One of then knows he'll find his Partner options severely limited if he he's done the above.

Neither of them are that arsed about being constituency MPs. They'd love to be sacked tonight.
 
No. Never in doubt. But, it's telling the constant chipping away of principles and values, the continued embarrassment, the PM looking utterly clueless. We've gone from a credible country to an international joke.

I don't know what's more worrying - that this shower will still get applauded like seal by the Telegraph/Express crowd or that Labour aren't miles ahead of them in the polls.

Sorry for repeating a point I've made loads of times before, but whenever anyone thinks that a Tory rebellion might take place because of logical / sensible reasons they should remember that in June 1940, with this country on its knees and after they'd listened to two days of the most savage kicking ever handed out to a British Prime Minister in the Commons, 281 Tory MPs voted with the government. Only forty-odd actually voted against.
 
Editorial from The Times today:


The Times view on the internal market bill: Blame Game

If the government believes the EU has acted in bad faith sufficient to justify breaking international law, it should provide compelling evidence
Monday September 14 2020, 12.01am, The Times

If the government wants the benefit of the doubt, it would help if it could get its story straight. Since the news that it planned to renege on key aspects of the Brexit withdrawal agreement first emerged, its explanations as to what it is doing and why it is doing it have been constantly shifting. Downing Street initially briefed journalists that the new bill would not breach international law, only for Brandon Lewis, the Northern Ireland secretary, to confirm that it would. The government first suggested that the EU was acting in bad faith in negotiations over the implementation of the Northern Irish protocol, but now says the bad faith relates to the wider trade negotiations, which could have consequences for Northern Ireland. Meanwhile Boris Johnson, who in January had hailed the withdrawal agreement as “fantastic” and good for Britain, now claims that it was negotiated in haste and is being used by the EU to break up Britain and destroy Northern Ireland’s peace process.


It is important that the government gets its story straight because the stakes could hardly be higher. It claims the clauses in the internal market bill that will allow ministers to override the legal obligations in the withdrawal agreement are an insurance policy in the event of no trade deal but insist they do still want a deal. Yet many fear that by lobbing this hand grenade into the negotiations, the government has made a deal far less likely. Last week the EU set a deadline of the end of the month for the government to withdraw the offending clauses if trade negotiations were to continue. The government may hope that the decision by EU foreign ministers to discuss Brexit at their summit next week could lead to a softening of the bloc’s position but it is just as likely to entrench it.
The consequences of no-deal are becoming harder to ignore. Today we report on a warning from car makers in Britain and the EU of the “devastating” costs of no-deal as tariffs lead to rising prices and a slump in demand. British factories could be forced to cut production by three million cars over five years, costing the sector more than €50 billion. What’s more the costs of no-deal will be compounded if the EU retaliates for a breach of the withdrawal agreement by withholding permissions for cross-border data transfers and the provision of financial services. Nor would the costs be solely economic. Breaking international law could jeopardise security co-operation with the EU and Britain’s ability to negotiate future trade deals including with the US. Most worryingly, it risks undermining the Northern Irish peace process by destabilising north-south relations.
If the government believes that these are risks worth taking, then it is vital that it uses the debate that will begin in parliament today over the internal market bill to explain why. Until now it has gone out of its way to evade scrutiny whether by parliament or the press, relying instead on anonymous briefings, press releases and even Twitter to make its case. Last week Mr Johnson refused to take questions from Tory MPs in a Zoom call designed to persuade them to back the bill.
This isn’t good enough. If Mr Johnson believes that the EU is acting in bad faith sufficient to justify breaking international law, damaging Britain’s global standing and potentially torpedoing an EU trade deal, he should present his evidence. He needs to explain why ministers believe they must break the law rather than rely on the dispute resolution process in the withdrawal agreement. If the government believes the EU is making unreasonable demands in areas such as phytosanitary checks and state aid rules, it should set out what exactly it is that the UK wants to do that the EU is blocking. What the government cannot do is expect the public automatically to take its side in a blame game over a deal that there is evidence to suggest it never had any intention of honouring. If it wants the benefit of the doubt it needs to earn it.
 
There is actually nothing in the Bill that addresses the made up "EU blockade".

It is a shambles.
More shambolic is those who are voting to oppose this bill are voting to honour the PMs 'oven ready' WA agreement that was billed as a great deal and protects the UK interests. A deal that he prevented MPs from debating because 'it had been debated enough' and claimed that those who wouldn't vote for it wanted to see the UK fail.
 
More shambolic is those who are voting to oppose this bill are voting to honour the PMs 'oven ready' WA agreement that was billed as a great deal and protects the UK interests. A deal that he prevented MPs from debating because 'it had been debated enough' and claimed that those who wouldn't vote for it wanted to see the UK fail.
They’re also voting to honour their party’s manifesto and against breaking International law. Call me old fashioned but I make both of those things are important.

Johnson has shown yet again today that literally all he has is bluster, BS, guffawing and Dom’s 3 word slogans. The man is a complete charlatan.
 
The Tories are desperately trying to make this absolute debacle about Brexit.

Only Brexit has happened, we’ve left, this is nothing to do with that tired old debate. it’s done.

What this is about, is them failing to deliver on their manifesto promises to deliver a fantastic tariff free trade deal and wanting to break International law, in order to ride back on a treaty that they agreed and signed in bad faith. As this entire shambles is about them still trying to keep those swivel eyed ERG loons onside by delivering the obvious commitment they made to them that persuaded them to vote for the WA last year.

Only it appears that Cummings underestimated just how strongly even many of their own feel about being as ridiculously irresponsible as this and flouting the actual law.

Cue them threatening to withdraw on whip shortly.

Down with unelected bureaucrats though. Oh the irony.

Quite.

The Tories have basically convinced the country to jump into a bonfire and then blamed the flames for being hot when people start burning to death.
 
Quite.

The Tories have basically convinced the country to jump into a bonfire and then blamed the flames for being hot when people start burning to death.
I honestly can’t understand how anyone who actually voted for Brexit, sold on the litany of lies that have since unravelled like a Primani T shirt after 3 washes, can still actually truly believe that there’s sunlit uplands just over the horizon.

Literally every supposed positive has been shown to be untrue, from ‘not one job will be lost’ through to ‘we’ll get a great deal, maybe even better than the one we already have’.

The problem with Brexit is Brexit. It’s the most pointless act of National self harm in history.
 
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