Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Xizor]

Note 1. I have a daughter and granddaughter so anything I did was with their future in mind, if I had thought being in the EU was going to be better for them then that makes my vote change.

It's hard to accept this, just about the only certaintly right from the very beginning was that rights would be stripped from UK citizens (to work and reside abroad etc). If I was growing up now and had that taken away from me by the 'boomer' generation I'd be pretty pissed off about it. Not to mention your vote would be casting your grandkids into an era of economic turmoil.

Note 2. Immigration and racism, I can't speak for other parts of the country but around here there isn't any of either. We don't have any settled immigrants, sorry that spoils the general narrative but we just don't, people from other EU countries just haven't affected my life in anyway shape or form. (As far as racism goes two idiots did set fire to the local mosque door a few years ago, but that was more to do with ISIS than the EU according to their testimony at trial.)

Lack of immigration and diversity often correlate with racist attitudes, because it's easier to scare people about "weird foreigners" when they've never met them and don't realise that they're not really any different anyway. My Leave-voting relations all live in very affluent, mostly-white areas of the home counties.

Your other points are just the standard "I didn't think it through and didn't understand what I was voting on or for" stuff that infuriates the people who did understand the question but will likely suffer now anyway.

 

[Kev The Rat]

ive said from the start I want I fantastic incredible deal , I hope it’s better in every single possible way to what we had before . I truly mean that , however I’d also like a solid gold toilet but ultimately life is full of disappointments.

no, you want to remain and along with many others like you, hope that your constant sniping and undermining of the process will result in us remaining tied to the EU.

 

[Jebus_lives]

None of this is ‘amusing’, it’s deadly serious, no one has ‘won’ anything but a decision has been made, and we need to enact it. The U.K. has an incompetent Government with a dangerous charlatan as PM, supported by cult like clapping seals, who are causing us ill. Political Remainers and the SNP doing all they can to point this out....

Fixed for you

 

[roydo]

I understand why people didn’t vote for Brexit, and I respect them for expressing their opinion and reasons. I do not understand nor respect the rearguard actions they have been playing out to undermine the initial vote and now the negotiations....Whatever deal we get is for all of us.....

You have an 80 seat majority. You decide who negotiates. Just because the warnings and general disbelief I had that the crap many fell for is coming to fruition, (NI border anyone?), isnt really my problem to deal with.

Whatever deal we get will benefit a few rich people pulling the strings; but yeah, it is for all of us, and its your fault. (You/Your being Leave btw).

 

[orly]

- Introduce one of the most controversial Bills ever this week
- Bury it beneath a new seemingly contradictory set of C-19 protocols

 

[Xizor]

no, you want to remain and along with many others like you, hope that your constant sniping and undermining of the process will result in us remaining tied to the EU.

Exactly!

Stop sniping guys, these forum comments are stopping Boris strongarming Barnier into signing it all away!

 

[Harryflashman]

no, you want to remain and along with many others like you, hope that your constant sniping and undermining of the process will result in us remaining tied to the EU.

id like to Have remained of course And if something changed , for whatever reason , then I’d obviously be happy with that turn of events but I’m happy to respect the vote and I’ve tried to be consistent with that throughout the majority of my posts .

Thanks for another one telling me what I think but mostly that if it goes wrong it’s my fault for typing that I thought it’d go wrong . That feels like serious mental gymnastics but is probably about right for political discussion in 2020

 

[Jebus_lives]

Let me put it another way, how many people on here are supportive of our negotiating team, how many people on here go on and on about how fishing isn’t important, how many people on here keep playing the racist card to insult honest and good people who voted Leave, how many keep on about how we should retain EU law and indeed subservience. It doesn’t stop, its constant. All of these messages in here, on twitter, from politicians are not unseen by the EU, they will have teams observing this and trying to work out their negotiating tactics. If they saw the whole of the U.K. acting as one and determined, a deal would already have been signed. While the EU believes there is doubt or indeed outright hostility, SNP etc, then they will play this into negotiations....

Why do we need to negotiate, we've got a great 'oven ready' deal ready to go and Boris has shown he's capable of bringing the EU to heel.

He's got an 80 seat majority and he's a leader capable of great things. It should be easy. Anything else is a failure of statecraft.

The rest is just twitter noise, it has no bearing on the UK negotiating position.

 

[Harryflashman]

Exactly!

Stop sniping guys, these forum comments are stopping Boris strongarming Barnier into signing it all away!

Like so much these days it blows my mind this , I’ll be honest

 

[Bruce Wayne]

no, you want to remain and along with many others like you, hope that your constant sniping and undermining of the process will result in us remaining tied to the EU.

When you regret stuff the next morning

 

[Jebus_lives]

- Introduce one of the most controversial Bills ever this week
- Bury it beneath a new seemingly contradictory set of C-19 protocols

'this law is superior to all other laws, because we say so'

 

[roydo]

no, you want to remain and along with many others like you, hope that your constant sniping and undermining of the process will result in us remaining tied to the EU.

How on earth is being on a football forum undermining anything?

I mean, Johnson himself has said the oven ready deal is now a crap idea, sort of. And he wrote the flaming thing ffs! I would be quite happy outside the EU, with a fair and workable trade deal, but its not going great is it?

 

[peteblue]

look pete democracy said leave won, done . I wasn’t and im still not keen on the implications of a no deal nor of riding roughshod over the law but you (in the leave camp ) won the vote , got a leave mandate, a leave campaigning PM , an 80 seat majority and the two most popular newspapers back Leave . so It’s on you sort it out and stop finding reasons why it’s everybody else who isn’t onboard with your ideas fault .

You’re from a business background , I think what I’d do If someone was constantly moaning to me that they couldn’t do their job, When it’s all set up for them, because of a hundred different reasons but mostly because of the nasty man over there . It’s not that he’s not helping, no it’s that he’s not cheering them on . I would , I suspect like you , tell them to learn to take some responsibility .

oh and not just that if the only way they can do this job is by breaking the law then it’s a pretty poor show .

Again, this is part of a negotiation. The U.K. has been a soft touch for far too long and allowed the EU to formulate a position where we split N.I. from the rest of the U.K., rather than the ROI from the rest of the EU. Personally I’m pleased we are playing the hardest of hardball and have the John Majors and Theresa May’s crying about it. Certain countries within the EU wouldn’t think twice about adopting similar tactics to try and gain an advantage. But yet again, all the Remainers are now really really concerned about International Law and how the U.K. is viewed, but in reality it’s just another cynical excuse to kick the Brexit team....

 

[Xizor]

- Introduce one of the most controversial Bills ever this week
- Bury it beneath a new seemingly contradictory set of C-19 protocols

"I wish I could form an opinion on the government turning us into a tinpot rogue state which breaks agreements, simultaneously risking lives and livelihoods of a large area of the population, but I'm too damn mad about not being able to go for pint with all the lads to care"

 

[Kev The Rat]

How on earth is being on a football forum undermining anything?

I mean, Johnson himself has said the oven ready deal is now a crap idea, sort of. And he wrote the flaming thing ffs! I would be quite happy outside the EU, with a fair and workable trade deal, but its not going great is it?

but if we have to go without a deal, then so be it. clearly the EU arent going to do us any favours, unsurprisingly.