Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Who negotiated the treaty in the first place you effin idiot. 'Unforseen' my arse ; will he ever take any responsibility for the multitude of messes piling up against his door ?

May and that pillock Olly negotiated the deal. Boris did enough of a minor tweak to get himself out of the tightly tied ropes within Parliament and gain a general election. Which as you know he won with a massive majority. He is negotiating properly, putting the EU on the back foot and giving away nothing. Barnier doesn’t have a clue what will happen and that all plays in our favour. Do a deal or don’t, the choice is with the EU, but a large part of the withdrawal agreement settlement also disappears if there is no deal. Personally I think there will be a deal, but I’m more than happy for a WTO arrangement, and I believe so is Boris and a lot more MP’s than previously......

 

[summerisle]

May and that pillock Olly negotiated the deal. Boris did enough of a minor tweak to get himself out of the tightly tied ropes within Parliament and gain a general election. Which as you know he won with a massive majority. He is negotiating properly, putting the EU on the back foot and giving away nothing. Barnier doesn’t have a clue what will happen and that all plays in our favour. Do a deal or don’t, the choice is with the EU, but a large part of the withdrawal agreement settlement also disappears if there is no deal. Personally I think there will be a deal, but I’m more than happy for a WTO arrangement, and I believe so is Boris and a lot more MP’s than previously......

*De Piffle
He couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. He doesn't do details, he's all bluster, sound bites, U Turns and ersatz nationalism which I doubt very much he believes in anyway. The only thing Johnson cares about is Johnson.

 

[Rook]

Hai! I live in a country that has a political party currently in power who's only policies are to loot the treasury and remain in power. So I have experience here. IMO Johnson is trying to negoitate the worst possible deal possible so the Scots leave the UK. Its an easy way to eliminate a large mostly liberal voting block.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Roydo, please stop panicking. Yes we know that the EU is bigger than the U.K., so is China and the USA. But our EU business is not going to just disappear, nor will Germany’s business with the U.K. Yes we are only 65 million but we are still the EU’s largest trading partner. We are Germany’s largest trading partner. Germany makes more money from the U.K. than any other country on the planet. The U.K. will do additional deals with the anglophone world and the countries of the commonwealth, and they will be win/win deals. The Japan FTA is pretty well there, the rest will follow once we finally remove the shackles of the EU... the EU have spent 20 years negotiating with Mercosur, thought they had a deal, but even now Germany and co are rejecting it. The EU will never move quickly because it can’t and there are too many vested interests. Have some faith in your own country......

Pete, a few years ago I attended a (no doubt catchily titled) government initiative to encourage greater trade between the Commonwealth countries. Given the huge importance of doing so now, especially given the apparent importance this particular administration would give to our former subjects coming to the aid of Albion, why do you think it's taking so long? India, nada. South Africa, nada. Australia, nada. Canada, nada. You complain about the EU moving slowly, but you told us probably a hundred times that when we have left the EU, which *checks notes*, we have done, you will ignore the EU and focus your attention and criticism to our own government who will henceforth be fully responsible for their actions and our outcomes.

So, your thoughts on the super duper trading with the world negotiations that have been done thus far and that have been concluded thus far?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

May and that pillock Olly negotiated the deal. Boris did enough of a minor tweak to get himself out of the tightly tied ropes within Parliament and gain a general election. Which as you know he won with a massive majority. He is negotiating properly, putting the EU on the back foot and giving away nothing. Barnier doesn’t have a clue what will happen and that all plays in our favour. Do a deal or don’t, the choice is with the EU, but a large part of the withdrawal agreement settlement also disappears if there is no deal. Personally I think there will be a deal, but I’m more than happy for a WTO arrangement, and I believe so is Boris and a lot more MP’s than previously......

Does not address oven ready deal or failure of state craft to get a deal, you voted for something that you have no idea about as most other Brexiteers, hence always playing catch up with the Brexit latest lie... It's proper boring listening to endless lies of Johnson, and their regurgitations.

 

[mill]

Not really work when Osbourne was quoting from this

Treasury Report On Effects Of Leaving The EU

did any of it come true ?
(I will exclude anytime since covid as has been pointed out it would skew figures no matter what the vote)

I could mention being 'at the back of the queue' (Obama) and Trump saying we will be at the front, but it's Trump and he makes Johnson look like the paragon of truth


Will check in later once I have finished whittling myself a trawler and finished my crop rotation

Yes. Just scanned and in the ‘immediate shock’ part (not the ‘severe shock’ part) it said that you would see sterling fall by 12% and you would see an immediate spike in inflation.

Both of those things were true.

we were also the fastest growing economy in the G7 up to the vote. Post we became the slowest up until fairly recently when we overtook that economic powerhouse, Italy

That was just a quick scan on the initial effects. I’ve not looked at the structural effects yet.

 

[tsubaki]

Roydo, please stop panicking. Yes we know that the EU is bigger than the U.K., so is China and the USA. But our EU business is not going to just disappear, nor will Germany’s business with the U.K. Yes we are only 65 million but we are still the EU’s largest trading partner. We are Germany’s largest trading partner. Germany makes more money from the U.K. than any other country on the planet. The U.K. will do additional deals with the anglophone world and the countries of the commonwealth, and they will be win/win deals. The Japan FTA is pretty well there, the rest will follow once we finally remove the shackles of the EU... the EU have spent 20 years negotiating with Mercosur, thought they had a deal, but even now Germany and co are rejecting it. The EU will never move quickly because it can’t and there are too many vested interests. Have some faith in your own country......

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[peteblue]

Pete, a few years ago I attended a (no doubt catchily titled) government initiative to encourage greater trade between the Commonwealth countries. Given the huge importance of doing so now, especially given the apparent importance this particular administration would give to our former subjects coming to the aid of Albion, why do you think it's taking so long? India, nada. South Africa, nada. Australia, nada. Canada, nada. You complain about the EU moving slowly, but you told us probably a hundred times that when we have left the EU, which *checks notes*, we have done, you will ignore the EU and focus your attention and criticism to our own government who will henceforth be fully responsible for their actions and our outcomes.

So, your thoughts on the super duper trading with the world negotiations that have been done thus far and that have been concluded thus far?

The U.K. has legally been able to negotiate trade deals on its own behalf since February 1st of this year, seven months ago and in the midst of a worldwide pandemic.

The UK’s trade agreements

Find out which trade agreements the UK has signed and which the UK is negotiating.

www.gov.uk

This shows the priority deals being sought. Please also note that whatever progress is being made, no deal can actually be signed until completion of the transition period with the EU.

My views on this is that we appear focussed on the right priority deals and progress appears to proceeding. Japan, Australia, NZ and Canada will probably be signed in that order and once the US Presidential elections are out of the way I’m sure that progress will made on that one as well. The CPTPP is quite a clever one to pursue as well. Is there anything more you believe the U.K. should be doing at this point ?....

 

[roydo]

Roydo, please stop panicking. Yes we know that the EU is bigger than the U.K., so is China and the USA. But our EU business is not going to just disappear, nor will Germany’s business with the U.K. Yes we are only 65 million but we are still the EU’s largest trading partner. We are Germany’s largest trading partner. Germany makes more money from the U.K. than any other country on the planet. The U.K. will do additional deals with the anglophone world and the countries of the commonwealth, and they will be win/win deals. The Japan FTA is pretty well there, the rest will follow once we finally remove the shackles of the EU... the EU have spent 20 years negotiating with Mercosur, thought they had a deal, but even now Germany and co are rejecting it. The EU will never move quickly because it can’t and there are too many vested interests. Have some faith in your own country......

Not panicking mate. Just waiting to see exactly which of the bollox you swallowed actually turns up. That technology that you said would solve the NI/ROI border for example.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Boris Johnson would actually have to run over Pete's dog before he thought about going against him. And even then some other, less blessed, person would be to blame.

 

[The binman chronicles]

The NI border backtrack just shows that they were just trying to bluff their way to a deal to circumvent it anyhow. Now it's becoming a reality they know they can't go along with it. Simple fact they can't do brexit and never could without a hard border between the Republic and NI.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Boris Johnson would actually have to run over Pete's dog before he thought about going against him. And even then some other, less blessed, person would be to blame.

The civil service would have buggered the car up or something.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The U.K. has legally been able to negotiate trade deals on its own behalf since February 1st of this year, seven months ago and in the midst of a worldwide pandemic.

The UK’s trade agreements

Find out which trade agreements the UK has signed and which the UK is negotiating.

www.gov.uk

This shows the priority deals being sought. Please also note that whatever progress is being made, no deal can actually be signed until completion of the transition period with the EU.

My views on this is that we appear focussed on the right priority deals and progress appears to proceeding. Japan, Australia, NZ and Canada will probably be signed in that order and once the US Presidential elections are out of the way I’m sure that progress will made on that one as well. The CPTPP is quite a clever one to pursue as well. Is there anything more you believe the U.K. should be doing at this point ?....

"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU … The new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit, but they will be fully negotiated"
David Davis
14 July 2016

 

[peteblue]

The NI border backtrack just shows that they were just trying to bluff their way to a deal to circumvent it anyhow. Now it's becoming a reality they know they can't go along with it. Simple fact they can't do brexit and never could without a hard border between the Republic and NI.

If there is an FTA with the EU, there is no hard border. The ROI and U.K. already have a CTA in place that preceded the EU so people can travel into and out of NI the ROI and the U.K. mainland just as before. If there is no FTA put in place, then the withdrawal agreement will need to be rewritten anyway and WTO Rules do not require a ‘hard border’, with goods transactions taking place electronically from the point of origin.The people of NI and the ROI will see no difference unless of course the EU tells the ROI to put a hard border in place and which I imagine the ROI would refuse to do.....