Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Not sure I'm qualified to say much about the link between intelligence and education as has been discussed above. All I would say is intelligence can be a hard concept to define concretely, and unless a shared definition is used as a starting point then any discussion will struggle to reach a meaningful conclusion.

What I do strongly believe is the point that regardless of education, if good job opportunities had been available more widely rather than concentrated in the south east, the levels of resentment which contributed to the leave vote may not have existed.
 
Woolverhampton_Blue said:
Not sure I'm qualified to say much about the link between intelligence and education as has been discussed above. All I would say is intelligence can be a hard concept to define concretely, and unless a shared definition is used as a starting point then any discussion will struggle to reach a meaningful conclusion.

What I do strongly believe is the point that regardless of education, if good job opportunities had been available more widely rather than concentrated in the south east, the levels of resentment which contributed to the leave vote may not have existed.
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I suppose that's the question isn't it? Do good jobs become available because talented people are in an area, or is it something else that results in jobs being created? I'm inclined to think that if you plonked Cambridge University into Barnsley (for the sake of argument - they're similar'ish size towns), then Barnsley wouldn't have much of an unemployment problem. Education, whether degree level or otherwise, really is key imo, and not enough emphasis is given to it.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I suppose that's the question isn't it? Do good jobs become available because talented people are in an area, or is it something else that results in jobs being created? I'm inclined to think that if you plonked Cambridge University into Barnsley (for the sake of argument - they're similar'ish size towns), then Barnsley wouldn't have much of an unemployment problem. Education, whether degree level or otherwise, really is key imo, and not enough emphasis is given to it.
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I'd have to guess its neither exclusively. I'm sure Cambridge benefits from having the best University in the country in terms of creating high paying jobs in that area. However lots of the people filling the high paying jobs in London are not natives, they were drawn there by the jobs on offer. Both the places I've used above are fairly unique examples, but what's not to say that other regions wouldn't benefit from a concerted effort to create good jobs there? The people will follow the money.

I agree education is vital, in even more than just an economic sense. But personally when I say 'good jobs' I don't just mean those which require formal education, I mean a job which allows the individual to meet their own needs. Not everyone will go to Uni or an equivalent form of education, for various reasons. The well educated workers require people to make them coffee, serve food, work in the retail stores they buy from, collect their rubbish, etc. Those jobs should pay enough to live on. Increasingly they don't. Resentment then creeps in, and UKIP et al capitalised on it very effectively.
 
It's looking more and more likely that EU countries will be wanting a special trade deal with the UK. Oh and the financial forecast of doom and gloom really has just gone away, together with the rush of companies supposedly wanting to leave the UK and the supposed suspension of all their investment plans.

The UK is in a VERY strong position now with any negotiations with the EU. The bad mouthing and demands from Brussels seem to have died down as the reality hits home of how strong the UK really is. Euroscepticism is on the rise throughout the EU and will no doubt put even more pressure upon Brussels.

As I've been saying since the vote, it's time the remainers opened their eyes to the opportunities that will come our way, get behind the country and stop the incessant negativity and talk of a second vote........
 
Bruce Wayne said:
There are 35 areas of the country where the majority of people have a degree. All but three of them voted to remain. That's pretty beyond dispute I'd say.
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Which areas are these ? If 3 voted to leave then how is that "beyond dispute" ? Over 60% on here voted remain does that mean that Everton have a much higher level of Graduates than other football forums ? This constant attack against Leave voters is frankly disgraceful and worse than trying to break the vote down into racial groups......
 
peteblue said:
Which areas are these ? If 3 voted to leave then how is that "beyond dispute" ? Over 60% on here voted remain does that mean that Everton have a much higher level of Graduates than other football forums ? This constant attack against Leave voters is frankly disgraceful and worse than trying to break the vote down into racial groups......
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South Bucks, West Devon, and Malvern Hills were the three that stood out. I haven't attacked anyone. It can't be an attack when you're merely stating facts. An equally lopsided distribution (2 of 30) where over 65s were in the highest number voted to remain. That isn't saying that's good or bad, merely what it is.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
South Bucks, West Devon, and Malvern Hills were the three that stood out. I haven't attacked anyone. It can't be an attack when you're merely stating facts. An equally lopsided distribution (2 of 30) where over 65s were in the highest number voted to remain. That isn't saying that's good or bad, merely what it is.
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They aren't facts per se, but interpretations of data. There is still a heavy inference in regards to degree level education and intelligence without definition. I voted for leaving. I don't have a degree. What exactly does that make me in this scheme?
I would dare anyone put me in with knuckle dragging xenophobes or to claim I didn't have the intelligence to make a well informed decision when voting.

This angle, wether through unfortunately chosen words or misrepresentation, is becoming unsavoury. It smacks of profiling, generalisation and pigeon holing, and further it appears it has a surreptitious snobbery within its agenda.
 
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