Current Affairs EU In or Out

[magicjuan]

Count yerself lucky that you're (much) older than me, but at least can still remember what you left something in.

I'd lose me balls if they weren't in me bag

Aldi just called, apparently your balls are in the wine section, aisle three.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Aldi just called, apparently your balls are in the wine section, aisle three.

WTF was I doing in the wine section????

 

[orchard]

WTF was I doing in the wine section????

Looking for pete's folder?

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Looking for pete's folder?

Who's pete?

 

[peteblue]

They aren't facts per se, but interpretations of data. There is still a heavy inference in regards to degree level education and intelligence without definition. I voted for leaving. I don't have a degree. What exactly does that make me in this scheme?
I would dare anyone put me in with knuckle dragging xenophobes or to claim I didn't have the intelligence to make a well informed decision when voting.

This angle, wether through unfortunately chosen words or misrepresentation, is becoming unsavoury. It smacks of profiling, generalisation and pigeon holing, and further it appears it has a surreptitious snobbery within its agenda.

Very well put, but as you don't have a degree I will have to disregard it and suggest that you do not really understand the issues.........

 

[peteblue]

WTF was I doing in the wine section????

WTF, they have OTHER sections.......

 

[bring back the catt]

I'd have to guess its neither exclusively. I'm sure Cambridge benefits from having the best University in the country in terms of creating high paying jobs in that area. However lots of the people filling the high paying jobs in London are not natives, they were drawn there by the jobs on offer. Both the places I've used above are fairly unique examples, but what's not to say that other regions wouldn't benefit from a concerted effort to create good jobs there? The people will follow the money.

I agree education is vital, in even more than just an economic sense. But personally when I say 'good jobs' I don't just mean those which require formal education, I mean a job which allows the individual to meet their own needs. Not everyone will go to Uni or an equivalent form of education, for various reasons. The well educated workers require people to make them coffee, serve food, work in the retail stores they buy from, collect their rubbish, etc. Those jobs should pay enough to live on. Increasingly they don't. Resentment then creeps in, and UKIP et al capitalised on it very effectively.

I have a degree and majored in accountancy and engineering before moving into one of the many branches of physics. I am an arl ars and HAD to move to Larndahn to even get a job worthy of mention.
I didn't want to, but there it goes. Believe me, the riches of opportunity in the SE region are breath-taking. One can leave a post on a Friday, and still be fixed up with another position by Monday. And personally, i wouldn't give half of them elbow room.
The dissension in all other areas of the country is not brought about by jealousy, or idleness, or lack of education or application, but out of lack of opportunity. It is because many are intelligent and worthy, that they feel so much injustice.
That, plus the incentives companies receive to locate in the SE area.
It could be argued that the many intelligent persons living away from the SE become aggrieved due to them being seen as scroungers and misfits, when in fact most would leave their undeserving southern cousins behind.
Give them the opportunity that successive governments have denied them, and yes, there may have been a different outcome to the vote.
But that is irrelevant, as denied they have been for far too many years.
Britain is the strength of Europe AND will not only continue, but will prosper.
I moved to the SE for gain. I voted for Brexit to ultimately gain. I returned to the NW for the same reason.
I was just so disappointed that, like myself, many others have had to seek employment of note in the SE. All this has done is to fuel the notion that the SE is the only area of the country where wealth can be created. In other words, it has been deliberately manufactured to look that way.
That is the real crime.

 

[joey_macmo]

Which areas are these ? If 3 voted to leave then how is that "beyond dispute" ? Over 60% on here voted remain does that mean that Everton have a much higher level of Graduates than other football forums ? This constant attack against Leave voters is frankly disgraceful and worse than trying to break the vote down into racial groups......

How is that even an attack? What an incredibly bizarre statement

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

I have a degree and majored in accountancy and engineering before moving into one of the many branches of physics. I am an arl ars and HAD to move to Larndahn to even get a job worthy of mention.
I didn't want to, but there it goes. Believe me, the riches of opportunity in the SE region are breath-taking. One can leave a post on a Friday, and still be fixed up with another position by Monday. And personally, i wouldn't give half of them elbow room.
The dissension in all other areas of the country is not brought about by jealousy, or idleness, or lack of education or application, but out of lack of opportunity. It is because many are intelligent and worthy, that they feel so much injustice.
That, plus the incentives companies receive to locate in the SE area.
It could be argued that the many intelligent persons living away from the SE become aggrieved due to them being seen as scroungers and misfits, when in fact most would leave their undeserving southern cousins behind.
Give them the opportunity that successive governments have denied them, and yes, there may have been a different outcome to the vote.
But that is irrelevant, as denied they have been for far too many years.
Britain is the strength of Europe AND will not only continue, but will prosper.
I moved to the SE for gain. I voted for Brexit to ultimately gain. I returned to the NW for the same reason.
I was just so disappointed that, like myself, many others have had to seek employment of note in the SE. All this has done is to fuel the notion that the SE is the only area of the country where wealth can be created. In other words, it has been deliberately manufactured to look that way.
That is the real crime.

Great to hear from someone who has experienced it first hand and lived it.

If attempts were made to spread opportunities to regions that need them, not only would it give those areas a much needed lift, it would reduce some of the pressures felt in the SE. For example overcrowding, increasingly unaffordable housing, overwhelming strain on public services. That for me makes the ongoing encouragement of the status quo absurd as well as unfair.

Some of the regions in need wouldn't be terribly hard to market either. Housing that doesn't cost 50% of your monthly income. Other living costs being more affordable. Cheaper land to build on for various purposes. Being a stones throw from some of the most beautiful parts of the country. It just requires the government to throw in some other incentives to get things moving (which they pay lip service to but never follow through on convincingly). On that note, I'd have to point out the EU actually did more of that than Westminster has ever seemed to.

 

[peteblue]

I have a degree and majored in accountancy and engineering before moving into one of the many branches of physics. I am an arl ars and HAD to move to Larndahn to even get a job worthy of mention.
I didn't want to, but there it goes. Believe me, the riches of opportunity in the SE region are breath-taking. One can leave a post on a Friday, and still be fixed up with another position by Monday. And personally, i wouldn't give half of them elbow room.
The dissension in all other areas of the country is not brought about by jealousy, or idleness, or lack of education or application, but out of lack of opportunity. It is because many are intelligent and worthy, that they feel so much injustice.
That, plus the incentives companies receive to locate in the SE area.
It could be argued that the many intelligent persons living away from the SE become aggrieved due to them being seen as scroungers and misfits, when in fact most would leave their undeserving southern cousins behind.
Give them the opportunity that successive governments have denied them, and yes, there may have been a different outcome to the vote.
But that is irrelevant, as denied they have been for far too many years.
Britain is the strength of Europe AND will not only continue, but will prosper.
I moved to the SE for gain. I voted for Brexit to ultimately gain. I returned to the NW for the same reason.
I was just so disappointed that, like myself, many others have had to seek employment of note in the SE. All this has done is to fuel the notion that the SE is the only area of the country where wealth can be created. In other words, it has been deliberately manufactured to look that way.
That is the real crime.

Great post.....

It's quite strange because the NW used to contain many large and hi tech companies who employed all of these highly qualified people. There are still pockets of affluence but there has undoubtedly been a shift over the last 25 years. Brexit may well provide the spur to invest and regenerate these areas as qualified people are still available, and it's cheaper. We are on the cusp of a great growth if managed properly and the miserable doomsayers wake up......

 

[peteblue]

How is that even an attack? What an incredibly bizarre statement

Try reading the posts and seeing through the narrative, have a read of MJ's post which sums it up.......if you can't see it then you aren't really looking.......

 

[summerisle]

I wasn't really aware that there was a Prime Minister of Flanders. Anyhow,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...e-branch-on-brexit-calls-for-north-sea-union/


Belgium offers olive branch on Brexit, calls for North Sea Union

Mr Bourgeois said Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, France, Sweden, and Norway would be the obvious members of a North Sea Union Credit: Alamy

23 August 2016 • 5:39pm

The prime minister of Flanders has proposed a radical North Sea Union linking Britain to a cluster of regional states to cushion the Brexit shock, a sign that European leaders are starting to look for creative ways to heal the referendum rift.

Flemish minister Geert Bourgeois meets Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon at the end of 2015 Credit: Rex

“I can’t imagine a situation where we have more barriers on trade in both directions. You are our fourth biggest export market. It is in our mutual interest to find a solution, and the majority of the EU now agrees that anything other than a soft Brexit would have a huge cost,” he said.

Mr Bourgeois said the idea of North Sea Union was first proposed by the German ‘Land’ of Bremen six years ago but has suddenly become topical again with the Brexit vote. Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, France, Sweden, and Norway would be the obvious members.

Geert Bourgeois
The bloc would promote an integrated sphere for offshore energy and marine research, and as well as better grid network with interconnectors to drive down costs and boost back-up power. It would have a defence and security component.


“I am not proposing a new ‘EU’. My idea is a light structure on an intergovernmental basis, like the Mediterranean Union. There are so many areas in which we can work together on the enormous potential of ‘blue industry’ in the oceans, whether it is pharmaceutical sector, health, or food production,” he said.

The overture is a signal that EU politics is already moving beyond the ‘grief and anger’ stage of the Brexit upset, a recognition that it is possible to co-operate intimately with the UK outside the formal structures of the EU. The Belgians are masters of this kind of statecraft.

Flanders is the dominant bloc in Belgium’s complex devolved structure, a rich hi-tech region generating almost two thirds of the country’s GDP. It is led by the New Flemish Alliance (NVA), a conservative free-market party with a mild eurosceptic streak of its own.

Charles Michel, Belgium's prime minister, lashed out at Britain after the Brexit vote Credit: AFP
The friendly tone of Mr Bourgeois is in sharp contrast to the hard-line rhetoric of Belgium’s national prime minister, Charles Michel, who lashed out at Britain after the Brexit vote, summoning all the forces of Apocalypse to punish the country for its sin. “It is the first time in my life that I’ve seen a democracy in a situation like this,” he said.

Mr Michel has reportedly calmed down, but his hands are tied in any case by the realities of Belgian politics in any case. “He is an arch-federalist and wants top take a tough line with Britain but the NVA is the biggest party in Belgium and it has a lot of influence,” said Raoul Ruparel from Open Europe.

Geert Bourgeois

 

[magicjuan]

I wasn't really aware that there was a Prime Minister of Flanders. Anyhow,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...e-branch-on-brexit-calls-for-north-sea-union/


Belgium offers olive branch on Brexit, calls for North Sea Union

Mr Bourgeois said Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, France, Sweden, and Norway would be the obvious members of a North Sea Union Credit: Alamy

23 August 2016 • 5:39pm

The prime minister of Flanders has proposed a radical North Sea Union linking Britain to a cluster of regional states to cushion the Brexit shock, a sign that European leaders are starting to look for creative ways to heal the referendum rift.

Flemish minister Geert Bourgeois meets Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon at the end of 2015 Credit: Rex

“I can’t imagine a situation where we have more barriers on trade in both directions. You are our fourth biggest export market. It is in our mutual interest to find a solution, and the majority of the EU now agrees that anything other than a soft Brexit would have a huge cost,” he said.

Mr Bourgeois said the idea of North Sea Union was first proposed by the German ‘Land’ of Bremen six years ago but has suddenly become topical again with the Brexit vote. Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, France, Sweden, and Norway would be the obvious members.

Geert Bourgeois
The bloc would promote an integrated sphere for offshore energy and marine research, and as well as better grid network with interconnectors to drive down costs and boost back-up power. It would have a defence and security component.


“I am not proposing a new ‘EU’. My idea is a light structure on an intergovernmental basis, like the Mediterranean Union. There are so many areas in which we can work together on the enormous potential of ‘blue industry’ in the oceans, whether it is pharmaceutical sector, health, or food production,” he said.

The overture is a signal that EU politics is already moving beyond the ‘grief and anger’ stage of the Brexit upset, a recognition that it is possible to co-operate intimately with the UK outside the formal structures of the EU. The Belgians are masters of this kind of statecraft.

Flanders is the dominant bloc in Belgium’s complex devolved structure, a rich hi-tech region generating almost two thirds of the country’s GDP. It is led by the New Flemish Alliance (NVA), a conservative free-market party with a mild eurosceptic streak of its own.

Charles Michel, Belgium's prime minister, lashed out at Britain after the Brexit vote Credit: AFP
The friendly tone of Mr Bourgeois is in sharp contrast to the hard-line rhetoric of Belgium’s national prime minister, Charles Michel, who lashed out at Britain after the Brexit vote, summoning all the forces of Apocalypse to punish the country for its sin. “It is the first time in my life that I’ve seen a democracy in a situation like this,” he said.

Mr Michel has reportedly calmed down, but his hands are tied in any case by the realities of Belgian politics in any case. “He is an arch-federalist and wants top take a tough line with Britain but the NVA is the biggest party in Belgium and it has a lot of influence,” said Raoul Ruparel from Open Europe.

Geert Bourgeois

Apologies can't read anything to do with someone called Geert Bourgeois, I have my socializt principles you know...

 

[summerisle]

Apologies can't read anything to do with someone called Geert Bourgeois, I have my socializt principles you know...

Changed his name from Geert Anarcho-Syndacilist.

 

[magicjuan]

Changed his name from Geert Anarcho-Syndacilist.

Not another biscuit revolutionary?