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[peteblue]

They could put a massive dent in Germany's fuel supplies, they could have used the world's preeminent Navy to blockade the northern ports or even to stand up to the Nazis at Danzig. It isn't always boots on the ground.

Thank you, and you are of course correct. But the U.K., France, Italy had signed an agreement. The agreement did not I believe carry an imminent threat of war. Nor did actual Czechoslovakian allies, Russia and France deem it worthy to act upon their alliances. The continent had gone through a massive war just 20 years earlier and millions died. Right or wrong, and history proved it to be wrong, appeasement was tried and it failed. However just months after this failure, Poland was invaded and the U.K. declared War on Germany. What more does anyone want of this country.....

 

[dead_soft]

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I’ve seen some disgusting terms used to describe Britain, it’s people and it’s military, but cowardice is a new one.....

The HORROR, what a monstrous thing to say! As if British people or its military could ever be cowardly as they bravely maintained the Empire. Stop your pearl clutching, and faux outrage, it's a perfectly valid term to use at points of British history

 

[peteblue]

And of course by Britain actually doing something, it would have made it impossible for the French to chicken out, and they had a huge army. The Czech defenses (that were stood down because of Munich) were good, and if the French had attacked from the west it could have all been very different.

But the French didn’t and they, like Russia, were actual signed up allies of Czechoslovakia.....

 

[peteblue]

The HOROR, what a monstrous thing to say! As if British people or its military could ever be cowardly as they bravely maintained the Empire. Stop your pearl clutching, and faux outrage, it's a perfectly valid term to use at points of British history

Horror.....

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Thank you, and you are of course correct. But the U.K., France, Italy had signed an agreement. The agreement did not I believe carry an imminent threat of war. Nor did actual Czechoslovakian allies, Russia and France deem it worthy to act upon their alliances. The continent had gone through a massive war just 20 years earlier and millions died. Right or wrong, and history proved it to be wrong, appeasement was tried and it failed. However just months after this failure, Poland was invaded and the U.K. declared War on Germany. What more does anyone want of this country.....

I agree, their reasons for not wanting to provoke a European war were, if not noble, then understandable. However, the conflict they ended up with was a thousand times worse than putting the Wehrmacht back in its box in the late 30s. It's even more baffling because they had seen the power of German combined air and armour in Spain a year previously.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

But the French didn’t and they, like Russia, were actual signed up allies of Czechoslovakia.....

Russia were also actual signed up allies of the Germans also. So I think it was more a case of picking the side offering the greater upside at that point.

 

[peteblue]

Russia were also actual signed up allies of the Germans also. So I think it was more a case of picking the side offering the greater upside at that point.

realpolitik in action.....

 

[dead_soft]

Horror.....

There we go, unable to make a valid point so picks up on a typo. Silly little war lover.

 

[peteblue]

I agree, their reasons for not wanting to provoke a European war were, if not noble, then understandable. However, the conflict they ended up with was a thousand times worse than putting the Wehrmacht back in its box in the late 30s. It's even more baffling because they had seen the power of German combined air and armour in Spain a year previously.

It was a massive political mistake as they played for time and no one will argue with that. But for some to try and drop all this onto the U.K. is beyond the pale tbh......

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

It was a massive political mistake as they played for time and no one will argue with that. But for some to try and drop all this onto the U.K. is beyond the pale tbh......

But nobody did that.

This began in response to you trying to use WW2 as a reason Europe should be grateful to Britain and not play politics with trade deals etc. People are merely pointing out that the reality from Central Europe's perspective is a little more nuanced.

 

[bluejim95]

I thought you were doing quite well for a while until you decided to try and play the man and not the ball.

You haven’t a clue about the Mercosur Eu FTA, which has not been finalised, signed or ratified and therefore has not entered into force, so how you say you are trading through it I would be really interested to understand.

No one said anything would be 27 times faster, just faster than having another 27 countries to agree and ratify.

Also when I said that no countries would accept tax alignment, I obviously meant countries Outside of the EU.

I doubt you have ever negotiated anything. You may well be in the import/export business and producing P&L’s, but that’s not quite the same is it.

Throwing in references to a ‘pint’ or the ‘daily express’ just means you are trying to be clever and playing to the crowd, so I’ll leave you to do so.

If you ever decide to have a sensible conversation then try again.

Well, I've exported to Brazil... so, there you go, hence I thought I might have. I see you have added the FTA part since to, details hey!!

I dont have or need to play to a crowd, that is all for you sir. I entered this to give an insight to the real world. The Daily Express reference is because all Brexiteers have the same view, as actually they are selling it to your demographic. The pint reference is because you said you owned your own pub.

For the Tax, do you think the EU grow countries or do you think that those countries were outside the EU before they agreed? Deluded!!

You said we could do trade deals as fast as we wanted, but yes we would need a lot of deals in a short time... let's see how long that takes. I think you were down as saying 3-5 years of disruption... how many deals do you expect in that time? You do realise that the 27 countries are already aligned in most part...

Playing the man... here comes the victim. You have then tried to say I haven't negotiated when you know very little about me. It does however prove that you are the one playing the man.

Another classic Brexit trait is to walk away from an arguement, simply cause in your day, that was sufficient... in modern times though, all the rubbish you spout is there on the net. Walking away doesn't work on modern platforms.

I believe I have been sensible in my conversation, I have my own views built on experience. Seems your views are very generic and you should really stop buying that paper.

 

[peteblue]

There we go, unable to make a valid point so picks up on a typo. Silly little war lover.

Luv you too hun.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Thank you, and you are of course correct. But the U.K., France, Italy had signed an agreement. The agreement did not I believe carry an imminent threat of war. Nor did actual Czechoslovakian allies, Russia and France deem it worthy to act upon their alliances. The continent had gone through a massive war just 20 years earlier and millions died. Right or wrong, and history proved it to be wrong, appeasement was tried and it failed. However just months after this failure, Poland was invaded and the U.K. declared War on Germany. What more does anyone want of this country.....

I'm sure you're aware of the 'phoney war'? We declared war on Germany in the sense of saying how horrid they are and dropping leaflets whilst they butchered Poland. The country didn't meaningfully offer any resistance to Germany until the summer of 1940.

As the Germans themselves said: "if we did not collapse already in the year 1939 that was due only to the fact that during the Polish campaign, the approximately 110 French and British divisions in the West were held completely inactive against the 23 German divisions."

What could they have done against such fierce opposition?

 

[peteblue]

But nobody did that.

This began in response to you trying to use WW2 as a reason Europe should be grateful to Britain and not play politics with trade deals etc. People are merely pointing out that the reality from Central Europe's perspective is a little more nuanced.

No I didn’t. You may imagine that from all of the other responses. I merely pointed out that if the EU was going to demand the return of the Elgin Marbles as part of a Trade deal, then perhaps we should be equally ridiculous and ask for the return of our military people whose remains decorate their war memorials.....both ridiculous and neither having anything to do with a trade deal.....

 

[peteblue]

I'm sure you're aware of the 'phoney war'? We declared war on Germany in the sense of saying how horrid they are and dropping leaflets whilst they butchered Poland. The country didn't meaningfully offer any resistance to Germany until the summer of 1940.

As the Germans themselves said: "if we did not collapse already in the year 1939 that was due only to the fact that during the Polish campaign, the approximately 110 French and British divisions in the West were held completely inactive against the 23 German divisions."

What could they have done against such fierce opposition?

Bruce it took Germany just 6 weeks to overrun France and that was with the French and British having had time to prepare defences...your imagined view of the German mechanised army being an easy target is way off the mark......