Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Read it again. The plant already has the capability. It just doesn't have the demand. Yet.

Look mate. A lot of my original post is agreeing with you that our car industry will be damaged by Brexit, even if we get a trade deal. If we don't it will be much worse. I'm not one of those Brexiteers who ignores the obvious. But I still firmly believe it would have been gone in another 10 years anyway, and I don't take any satisfaction from that, just sadness.

Car manufacturing is still one of our biggest industries with over 150,000 workforce. We have many profitable plants and a highly skilled workforce. If Brexit talks go tits up most of that will be lost, and it pisses me off that we don't have any politicians in this country that can see the opportunity to kick start a new UK car industry. Yes it will take massive public investment to get it off the ground, but the infrastructure and skills to make it work do exist. Just not the political will or vision.

That’s just the factory workers mate, there’s over 800k employed in the entire industry here. You’re simply wrong when you assert it’d have gone anyway, I work in the sector, before Brexit investment was still extremely strong. Since 2016 it’s dropped to a fraction of what it was before.

Once it’s gone it’s gone, as your idea of a Govt funded car industry would be simply exacerbating the disaster as it’d die on its arse.

 

[peteblue]

That’s just the factory workers mate, there’s over 800k employed in the entire industry here. You’re simply wrong when you assert it’d have gone anyway, I work in the sector, before Brexit investment was still extremely strong. Since 2016 it’s dropped to a fraction of what it was before.

Once it’s gone it’s gone, as your idea of a Govt funded car industry would be simply exacerbating the disaster as it’d die on its arse.

Are we going to stop buying cars ?

Are we going to stop making cars ?

Who is going to make our cars ?......

 

[Chewbacca]

Are we going to stop buying cars ?

Are we going to stop making cars ?

Who is going to make our cars ?......

We will run our existing cars much longer, as they do in other third world countries

 

[Barnfred 55]

That’s just the factory workers mate, there’s over 800k employed in the entire industry here. You’re simply wrong when you assert it’d have gone anyway, I work in the sector, before Brexit investment was still extremely strong. Since 2016 it’s dropped to a fraction of what it was before.

Once it’s gone it’s gone, as your idea of a Govt funded car industry would be simply exacerbating the disaster as it’d die on its arse.

OK I give in mate.

If it can't be blamed on Brexit it didn't happen.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Are we going to stop buying cars ?

Are we going to stop making cars ?

Who is going to make our cars ?......

No.

Only around 10% of the annual U.K. market are cars manufactured in the U.K.


The same foreign manufacturers that supply them now, only they’ll move their production from here elsewhere in the medium term.

 

[peteblue]

No.

Only around 10% of the annual U.K. market are cars manufactured in the U.K.


The same foreign manufacturers that supply them now, only they’ll move their production from here elsewhere in the medium term.

So who will make our cars....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

OK I give in mate.

If it can't be blamed on Brexit it didn't happen.

Daft response mate. You’ve admitted Brexit has damaged the industry and will continue to do so, you’ve merely tried to console yourself with the idea it’d have gone anyway.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

So who will make our cars....

The same manufacturers who do already, I’ve already explained that we only produce about 10% of our current annual consumption in any case.

 

[peteblue]

The same manufacturers who do already, I’ve already explained that we only produce about 10% of our current annual consumption in any case.

So you are saying that we will buy all of our cars from abroad, with whatever tariffs are applied and that no manufacturer will consider making cars in the U.K., which is a premium market with healthy prices, sales and margins. Have you ever thought of moving into a different industry.....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

So you are saying that we will buy all of our cars from abroad, with whatever tariffs are applied and that no manufacturer will consider making cars in the U.K., which is a premium market with healthy prices, sales and margins. Have you ever thought of moving into a different industry.....

Who mentioned tariffs? Not me. I doubt there’ll be any tariffs, certainly not in the medium term.

We already import 90% of our annual consumption. I was talking about U.K. manufacturing which is largely for the export market, primarily the EU.

You should have had one less pint, then you might have had half a chance of understanding the actual discussion.

 

[peteblue]

Who mentioned tariffs? Not me. I doubt there’ll be any tariffs, certainly not in the medium term.

We already import 90% of our annual consumption. I was talking about U.K. manufacturing which is largely for the export market, primarily the EU.

You should have had one less pint, then you might have had half a chance of understanding the actual discussion.

Do you not think, that just perhaps, there will be an opportunity to increase market share for current U.K. manufacturers by expanding their ranges. Here you go, I’ll throw one in for you, Landrover could produce a baby Range Rover aimed at the Suzuki crossover market but with just a few bits of technology and luxury. It will take out the small Audi and BMW’s. Or Jaguar could even get off their arses, re engineer a BMW 5 series and do similar. Or without a trade deal we could push up tariffs, do a deal with the USA and Japan and invite them to produce cheap trucks (station wagons) which are now all the rage within the U.K. Wherever there is a void, someone, with something, will step in.....

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Are we going to stop buying cars?

Less and less people are buying new cars since, cough cough 2016.

UK 2019 car sales slip to seven-year low: who's up, who's down?

An analysis of UK new-car sales in 2019: CAR magazine pores over the official figures and stats

www.carmagazine.co.uk

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Do you not think, that just perhaps, there will be an opportunity to increase market share for current U.K. manufacturers by expanding their ranges. Here you go, I’ll throw one in for you, Landrover could produce a baby Range Rover aimed at the Suzuki crossover market but with just a few bits of technology and luxury. It will take out the small Audi and BMW’s. Or Jaguar could even get off their arses, re engineer a BMW 5 series and do similar. Or without a trade deal we could push up tariffs, do a deal with the USA and Japan and invite them to produce cheap trucks (station wagons) which are now all the rage within the U.K. Wherever there is a void, someone, with something, will step in.....

There are no U.K. manufacturers anymore. Only foreign owned manufacturers, some of whom have plants here. Plants that in the main, where brought here to produce cars for the entire EU market, due to the SM & CU.

JLR export circa 80% of their U.K. production. Their total U.K. volume last year was only just over 100k units.

As for pushing up tariffs with the hope that manufacturers will set up factories here solely to feed the UK market, just LOL.

 

[summerisle]

Sorry mate but who made you God?

My username helps with communion.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Daft response mate. You’ve admitted Brexit has damaged the industry and will continue to do so, you’ve merely tried to console yourself with the idea it’d have gone anyway.

It's not a daft response at all mate.

I come in here looking for reasoned dialogue on Brexit. I'm not a WUM, I've always shown empathy and understanding for the remain side, held my hands up when I've been wrong, criticised the leave side when needed and always tried to give a balanced view on things. For my efforts I've had to occasionally endure calls of racist, Nazi, tory, selfish and thick. But the thing that disappoints me the most is that, almost to a man, to the remainers on here the issue of Brexit is totally black and white. There's absolutely no middle ground, zero merits whatsoever to Brexit, and no understanding or empathy of Brexiteers views. Anything that goes wrong is because of Brexit, and anything that goes well is despite Brexit. If there is any bad news it's because we voted to leave. If there's any good news it's because we haven't left yet.

It's like banging my head against a brick wall and eventually you have enough and call it a day. So it's a resigned response if anything, not a daft one. And I must say that, given we have never met before, your opinion that I am merely consoling myself is a tad presumptuous, not to mention condescending. And sadly, not entirely unexpected.