Current Affairs EU In or Out

[PSB1]

Interesting to see polling data for the past ten years to show this wasn't an overnight sensation.

And that the pro - Brexit vote was well aware of the possible economic fall - out yet put cultural considerations to the fore. Until the left develops a political vocabulary which isn't all about the cash & the services it can buy, it seems to me that they will be left in a large room talking to themselves as with the election just gone.

 

[Undisputed_blue]

And that the pro - Brexit vote was well aware of the possible economic fall - out yet put cultural considerations to the fore. Until the left develops a political vocabulary which isn't all about the cash & the services it can buy, it seems to me that they will be left in a large room talking to themselves as with the election just gone.

Was fully aware of that before coming across Mathew Goodwin.

It'll be interesting to see how things develop considering there's an Isaac Newton's third law in politics.

 

[PSB1]

Was fully aware of that

You're one of the few. Goodwin in concert with a number of reasonably unbiased data analysts was hakwing these and other insights to political parties / media etc. and he notes that the Labour activists were the ones who shoed the least interest and understanding. When idealogy rules the roost, it seems to me, nothing can be allowed to challenge the idea. No matter how sound the data.

 

[Undisputed_blue]

You're one of the few. Goodwin in concert with a number of reasonably unbiased data analysts was hakwing these and other insights to political parties / media etc. and he notes that the Labour activists were the ones who shoed the least interest and understanding. When idealogy rules the roost, it seems to me, nothing can be allowed to challenge the idea. No matter how sound the data.

I knew about it before the General Election but that was because I watched a Dominic Cumming's presentation on Youtube. Never looked into the Data aspect as there's so many constituencies. It seems Corbyn was clearly deluded he could win an election after looking through the Data.

I accept Goodwin's analysis but find his solutions reactionary to the North rather than providing a one size fit all solution for the Labour Party.

 

[evilwebby]

Probably were, but the 2019 Election was the decisive in relation to Brexit.

Racism rising since Brexit vote, nationwide study reveals

Has the penny dropped yet?

You mean that political tensions rise when the democratic will of the country is blocked by those in power? Quelle surprise.

 

[Walken]

You mean that political tensions rise when the democratic will of the country is blocked by those in power? Quelle surprise.

No he meant racism

 

[evilwebby]

I'd say that's true, but it risks getting close to being condescending in a "We're better educated than them" kind of way ( I'm not saying that's what you're personally thinking btw, it's a general statement ) and, while they might not be as well educated as city folk from London, they're not thick, and know when they're being talked down to ( at best ), or ignored at worse.

Instead of blaming less well educated people in Northern towns, it would make more sense to work out why the level of graduates in these places is lower than the cities.

The answers to that are numerous, but, when younger, educated people have to leave those those towns to find decent jobs in the cities, you have to question the policies of all goverments over the last 30 years or so, which have effectively encouraged the migration of people to cities. That's left behind a disenfranchised population who, at least from their perspective, believe the EC does nothing for them, and the party which they'd traditionally vote for, does next to nothing for them as well.

I hate the whole education/progressive link. It's fraught with contradiction and can just as easily be spun to offer a less flattering interpretation, with an opposing view that it increases indoctrination into collectivism and leftism.

I live in Putney amid one of the areas with highest council housing in the country.. if university education is a proxy for Remain/Labour voters then all these council blocks I walk past every day must really be enlightened households stuffed with highly educated future nobel prize winners.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You mean that political tensions rise when the democratic will of the country is blocked by those in power? Quelle surprise.

Why would tension rise against those with no political representation?

 

[evilwebby]

Why would tension rise against those with no political representation?

Are you suggesting that racial prejudices have only increased towards those who do not have representation? In my judgement the more complex but accurate interpretation is that our society has been engaged in more and more identity politics where people seek reaffirmation from other like them. The more affirmation they can find the more correct they are in their own minds, and the less tolerant they are towards those who hold differing views and opinions. We are supposed to be an open and tolerant society, but it's perhaps more rare today than ever to be able to engage in civilised and reasoned debate without extreme prejudices from one or more of the parties.

 

[Undisputed_blue]

I hate the whole education/progressive link. It's fraught with contradiction and can just as easily be spun to offer a less flattering interpretation, with an opposing view that it increases indoctrination into collectivism and leftism.

I live in Putney amid one of the areas with highest council housing in the country.. if university education is a proxy for Remain/Labour voters then all these council blocks I walk past every day must really be enlightened households stuffed with highly educated future nobel prize winners.

I live in Peckham which has the highest number of social homes, 58 per cent of the population has a degree.

 

[Undisputed_blue]

I live in Peckham which has the highest number of social homes, 58 per cent of the population has a degree.

Should have added: has one of the highest Labour majorities in the country.

 

[evilwebby]

Should have added: has one of the highest Labour majorities in the country.

Indeed, the level of indoctrination is high...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Are you suggesting that racial prejudices have only increased towards those who do not have representation? In my judgement the more complex but accurate interpretation is that our society has been engaged in more and more identity politics where people seek reaffirmation from other like them. The more affirmation they can find the more correct they are in their own minds, and the less tolerant they are towards those who hold differing views and opinions. We are supposed to be an open and tolerant society, but it's perhaps more rare today than ever to be able to engage in civilised and reasoned debate without extreme prejudices from one or more of the parties.

No, I'm questioning your link between those who are the victims of prejudice and those who you believe are blocking the 'will of the people'. I can't see any link between the two at all. It's akin to kicking the dog when Everton lose.

 

[degsy]

That was almost certainly true a couple of years ago, but things have moved on, and, if the following analysis is accurate, then it's nowhere near as simple as what your statement suggests.

Northern Discomfort: Why Labour lost the General Election

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From reading what you type, the impression I get ( rightly or wrongly ) is that you have a disdain for a lot of ordinary people in the country, and look on yourself as intellectually and morally superior to them ( which you very may well be ), but can you not see how that attitude might just piss people off and mean they won't even listen to you ?

Possible like the well off Metro Socialists who are supposedly 'big' in the policy making of the Labour Party?

 

[Jebus_lives]

You mean that political tensions rise when the democratic will of the country is blocked by those in power? Quelle surprise.

Racism = political tensions