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That's when his house of cards comes tumbling down. I'm afraid that it will be a most unenjoyable experience for all but the hedge fund managers and their like.
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Undisputed_blue
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Your claims are based on your poor understanding of the world. Still no evidence from you after looking back at your posts. If name calling is your thing then it shows you're not ready for an intellectual debate. If you are, then please provide evidence. Sounds as though you are Peteblue Lite.
Also, the BBC said areas with the fewest graduates tend to vote leave on the night of the referendum. I won't be changing my mind that Leave areas are racist and not well educated.
I can think of a prominent salt addicted one
Catfish Blues
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That was almost certainly true a couple of years ago, but things have moved on, and, if the following analysis is accurate, then it's nowhere near as simple as what your statement suggests.
Northern Discomfort: Why Labour lost the General Election
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From reading what you type, the impression I get ( rightly or wrongly ) is that you have a disdain for a lot of ordinary people in the country, and look on yourself as intellectually and morally superior to them ( which you very may well be ), but can you not see how that attitude might just piss people off and mean they won't even listen to you ?
I haven’t claimed anything, you have. So in your own time?
Undisputed_blue
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That was almost certainly true a couple of years ago, but things have moved on, and, if the following analysis is accurate, then it's nowhere near as simple as what your statement suggests.
Northern Discomfort: Why Labour lost the General Election
The world according to Tony Blair considering it is his Think Tank.
I haven't read the report but am fully aware of social economic issues in any case.
Couldn't be further from the truth. I've always had an interest in data well before the referendum.
Catfish Blues
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Fair enough, you'll well read and knowledgeable, probably far more than I am.
I'm not convinced you understand what makes people tick though, however, this is an online forum, and I'm doubtless only seeing a very small part of you from what you're typing so wtfdik.
Just out of interest, are you actively involved in politics in any shape or form in the real world ?
Undisputed_blue
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The answer is yes to your question. I don't want to reveal my professional experience as I'm easily identifiable but have campaigned locally for planning matters and transport issues in my spare time. Rubbed shoulders with academics, think tanks, pan London campaigners, journalists, local politicians, etc. Been inside Number 10, knew a couple of people who campaigned for a seat in the general election. I don't affiliate myself to any political parties as they all have some flaws one or another.
In my experience, especially true in real life, it's generally the person who knows the least that can be the most difficult to deal with.
What regard for the work of Matthew Goodwin do you have?
Undisputed_blue
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Never met him. I mainly met academics relating to planning and there's a bit of an overlap with politics.
Catfish Blues
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Aye, fair enough and the stuff about dealing with the people who know least is often true. There's a real skill about explaining things simply, and in a non- patronising way which is very rare in most of us. God knows, I've failed miserably in the last few years to try to explain the benefits of EU membership to people !
In a vaguely opposite way, quite often the higher up you are in the decision making process, the easier it is to lose touch with what "normal" people think - which is why governments, parties and companies often come to grief, because they refuse to believe what they're hearing from the people on the ground and are then shocked when what they've been told happens.
He has, I think, interesting things to say about the conversations that the liberal left (Greens / Labour / Lib Dems) might care to join in if a coherent argument is to be made in opposition to a Tory government which is rediscovering the electoral value of D'Israelian thought. Very crudely and without wanting to bore anyone, his collection of Data 2001 - 2018 suggests a gradual concreting of the conservative alliance based on a shared perception of the value of state, tradition and cohesive communities. Dame Memory may be playing me tricks but I seem to recall Hegel and Burke had much the same thing to say.
It strikes me as blindingly obvious that a political movement which excoriated voters as racist thickos one moment is likely to meet with a dusty response when it asks them to vote for them a couple of year later. And the movement of working class voters across the former (?) political divide is manifest in the data from 2005 onwards.
Perhaps the Left needs a new vocabulary and deeper understanding of values before it can engage seriously with the electorate.
Undisputed_blue
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I'd argued the opposite, there are plenty of opportunities where people can engage in the decision making process. Taking spatial strategies for example. These have a huge effect on the ability to change your area, shape job opportunities, shape growth, shape housing, etc. Have you engaged on spatial strategies or local development plans? Most people don't.
At the end of the day, Labour was split by the remain and leave elements of the party. To suggest Labour should listen to its Northern constituents risk losing seats in the remain areas. We have to see what the future holds now and how the country will react after Brexit. The pressure is on the Tories to provide growth in the North. I don't think they'll achieve it through lack of ideas and its eroding manufacturing base to the EU.
My personal belief is to allow each region to self govern and raise and retain taxation. Scotland, London and Northern areas are completely different to each other and the one size fits all policies is very much outdated in this era of politics.
ETA: I'm going to take a break from this discussion as I don't really want to discuss politics on Christmas Eve.
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I thought Mathew Goodwin's view was very interesting and allowed me to think deeply about the leadership failings of the Labour Party and its predecessors. Corbyn had received plenty of warnings about the Northern constituencies, from his own MPs and Goodwin's, and he ignored them at his peril. That's not to say I was unaware about the Northern constituency views as previously I knew about the Dominic Cumming's strategy for Brexit. Interesting to see polling data for the past ten years to show this wasn't an overnight sensation.
I thought Mathew Goodwin's view was very interesting and allowed me to think deeply about the leadership failings of the Labour Party and its predecessors. Corbyn had received plenty of warnings about the Northern constituencies, from his own MPs and Goodwin's, and he ignored them at his peril. That's not to say I was unaware about the Northern constituency views as previously I knew about the Dominic Cumming's strategy for Brexit. Interesting to see polling data for the past ten years to show this wasn't an overnight sensation.
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