Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Xizor]

Imagine, all you 'GE-now' zealots, that there was a highly unpopular majoirty government 2 years into their term with a resurgent opposition flying high in the polls.

Would said government be expected to legislate for an election just because the popular opposition insist the people should have a say?

I'm not necessarily against a GE but the arguments some of you espouse for one are naive at the very best and betray a deep lack of understanding on how politics actually works at the worst.

 

[Jebus_lives]

It's not necessarily fixed-term, as MPs can vote to have an earlier election. They're within their right to vote No to an earlier election though. It's just not the same as not respecting the result of a referendum. The results of the GE were respected, the MPs voted in then are free to vote for an earlier election... the referendum result was not respected. As for dangerous language, they're all as bad as each other. Though you make no mention of the dehumanising use of the term 'people's vote', as if those who voted in the 2016 referendum were not.

The referendum has been treated in exactly the way that Parliament, in its current make up sees fit to treat it - which is with worry about it's effects and uncertainty about what the public want/expect from them.

We had a GE in 2017, which the public voted to make up this current parliament. The 'will of the people' wants this Parliament to act in the way it does because that's what we all voted for and everybody knew what they were voting for - so goes the logic.

 

[Jebus_lives]

You don't have to continue to sing his praises, I accept that he's very well educated.. lol

I remember Dennis Skinner stating that George Osborne had the 'privilege of being educated beyond his intelligence', I think similar sentiment sould apply here.

 

[Aqui1a]

The referendum has been treated in exactly the way that Parliament, in its current make up sees fit to treat it - which is with worry about it's effects and uncertainty about what the public want/expect from them.

We had a GE in 2017, which the public voted to make up this current parliament. The 'will of the people' wants this Parliament to act in the way it does because that's what we all voted for and everybody knew what they were voting for - so goes the logic.

People were warned about the possible effects of brexit prior to the referendum, by either the Leave or Remain camp. They still lost.

We had a GE in 2017, correct. The will of the people was respected, and the MPs voted for entered parliament. Therefore the will of the people was respected. If the current MPs vote for an earlier GE, then that would still be in line with the will of the people. The 2016 referendum not being respected and implemented is not the same thing, because that wasn't respected.

 

[Kenshin]

The government could try this radical thing called compromise to win the votes of the (larger) opposition? A minority government whinging for an election does have other options.

They all want a deal that they are never going to get. More chance of the EU pulling the rug from under us before the opposition find out that they can't get the deal they want

In terms of the country, Tory policy is Tory policy. You disagree with it or you support it. Yet all I hear is save the NHS, labour will do this labour will do that etc.

And labour still won't back an election to be able to deliver that.

Oh but it's all about no deal Brexit .

Hang on, didn't you change the law to prevent this? You have the law , you have the extension now , just back the damn election and back your words up.

Unless labour don't think they can win. And instead are more interested in leaving the government in limbo where nothing gets done and the people suffer.

Not arsed about the logic behind it. Labour are terrified of having an election. Otherwise they would have took the Tories down 3 weeks ago and ensured no deal Brexit wasn't happening themselves.

 

[Moomin]

Johnson slated the people of Liverpool.

I could never back him, he makes Cameron look like a decent human being.

The media don't tell me what to think.

 

[Toast]

I remember Dennis Skinner stating that George Osborne had the 'privilege of being educated beyond his intelligence', I think similar sentiment sould apply here.

What about Wayne Rooneys kids ?

 

[summerisle]

I mean, earning a 2:1 at Oxford is far better than two Es at A-level and dropping out of a course in trade unionism. lol

He lies, his political judgment is woeful, he denigrates people of different races and places (Liverpool), he was backed by hedge funds and city bankers, and not to mention the fiasco of the Olympic stadium and the Garden Bridge which wasted £46 million. But OK, he went to Eton and Oxford ; what a great leader.

 

[Kurt.]

They all want a deal that they are never going to get. More chance of the EU pulling the rug from under us before the opposition find out that they can't get the deal they want

In terms of the country, Tory policy is Tory policy. You disagree with it or you support it. Yet all I hear is save the NHS, labour will do this labour will do that etc.

And labour still won't back an election to be able to deliver that.

Oh but it's all about no deal Brexit .

Hang on, didn't you change the law to prevent this? You have the law , you have the extension now , just back the damn election and back your words up.

Unless labour don't think they can win. And instead are more interested in leaving the government in limbo where nothing gets done and the people suffer.

Not arsed about the logic behind it. Labour are terrified of having an election. Otherwise they would have took the Tories down 3 weeks ago and ensured no deal Brexit wasn't happening themselves.

Wrong.... if they had voted for an election today then Johnson would still have been able to crash us out of the Eu with no deal.... labour are just playing him at his own game... he won’t commit to taking no deal off the table and all of this he’s doing now is just going through the motions to try and appear to be the man who tried on the eyes of the people... it’s a smokescreen.... answer me this, if the deal he has proposed us as excellent a deal as he claims it is why will he not agree to give a short extension for full and proper scrutiny to be carried out ? Surely he couldn’t be hiding anything could he ?

 

[Xizor]

He lies, his political judgment is woeful, he denigrates people of different races and places (Liverpool), he was backed by hedge funds and city bankers, and not to mention the fiasco of the Olympic stadium and the Garden Bridge which wasted £46 million. But OK, he went to Eton and Oxford ; what a great leader.

What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?

 

[Kev The Rat]

Thank you for your well thought out and considered response
lol

I treated your question with the due consideration it deserved

 

[Aqui1a]

He lies, his political judgment is woeful, he denigrates people of different races and places (Liverpool), he was backed by hedge funds and city bankers, and not to mention the fiasco of the Olympic stadium and the Garden Bridge which wasted £46 million. But OK, he went to Eton and Oxford ; what a great leader.

A politician that lies? Well I never!
His political judgement is woeful in what way? He's done pretty well considering anybody in his position would have lacked the numbers.
I don't know why it's important who backs him. Who isn't backed by someone rich and who wants sway?
I still would have him over Corbyn because Corbyn would be as disasterous PM as he is a party leader.

 

[Toast]

What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?

Brilliant.

 

[Aqui1a]

What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?

You gonna address me directly, bud, or are you going to keep on being a slimeball making inaccurate insinuations about me?

 

[Jebus_lives]

People were warned about the possible effects of brexit prior to the referendum, by either the Leave or Remain camp. They still lost.

We had a GE in 2017, correct. The will of the people was respected, and the MPs voted for entered parliament. Therefore the will of the people was respected. If the current MPs vote for an earlier GE, then that would still be in line with the will of the people. The 2016 referendum not being respected and implemented is not the same thing, because that wasn't respected.

Thank you for the italics it really helps me understand.