Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Undisputed_blue]

If we had another referendum and the same result came back we would still have the same hopeless remainer crew attempting to undermine it, exactly where we are now, so what would be the point......

I am more interested in the referendum data than tribal politics to be honest. I can't see the point of leaving the EU if the rest of the country is becoming Pro EU even if the Leave Party won the campaign with the same majority.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I just don't see the point in pushing for a 3rd general election in 4 years because the government didn’t like the results of the last two. People presumably knew what they were voting for in 2017 so let's not have another until 2022. The public voted for this... And I can't believe that they would want their will overturned in this way. It's democracy as @Joey66 would say.

I'm inclined to agree. The Tories want it (for obvious reasons). I wonder if the EU have placed conditions on the extension that something has to change in the UK.

 

[roydo]

I wasn’t interested in the article, the heading just made me think about people falling out over Brexit......

I guess some have, which seems a bit daft really; like nothing has actually happened has it? And by now, there are not any new arguments for or against to discuss, so I think there is a general concensus amongst normal people to just get on as best you can, and wait and see.

At work, it has joined the list of things to blame for a late delivery on mind.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This. They'll win a few more seats and thats all they need. 5 years of Johnson will be a awful for this country. He's pretty much failed at everything else.

The Tories are polling at roughly the same number of votes as they were when Cameron beat Milliband by 100 seats, which must surely be a worry for the opposition, especially as they seem so divided.

He got re-elected as London Mayor didn’t he......

His work as major largely revolved around the Olympics, when his bumbling, eccentric Brit act played quite well. Now he's not at all popular in London.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I don't think another election is going to change anything. Theresa May's last election is testimony to that. What we need is another Referendum to understand the travel of direction of Brexit.

I have refrained from commenting further on Brexit.

However I will comment on a GE.

Theresa May had a working majority in Parliament, from Cameron's GE. Her mistake, in hindsight, was trying to bolster that majority even more, which backfired on her, as we know, as she ended up without a Tory majority, and had to seek the assistance of the DUP.

At the moment, Parliament appears 'locked' in not doing anything. Note I say 'appears', as I am not conversant with all Parliamentary business. A GE is needed to (hopefully) arrive at a position of a working Government again, when business can be conducted and passed.

Another Referendum, of whatever shade or content, does NOT solve the present Parliamentary crisis, IMO.

 

[neil999]

I have refrained from commenting further on Brexit.

However I will comment on a GE.

Theresa May had a working majority in Parliament, from Cameron's GE. Her mistake, in hindsight, was trying to bolster that majority even more, which backfired on her, as we know, as she ended up without a Tory majority, and had to seek the assistance of the DUP.

At the moment, Parliament appears 'locked' in not doing anything. Note I say 'appears', as I am not conversant with all Parliamentary business. A GE is needed to (hopefully) arrive at a position of a working Government again, when business can be conducted and passed.

Another Referendum, of whatever shade or content, does NOT solve the present Parliamentary crisis, IMO.

who would you vote for?

 

[Old Blue 2]

who would you vote for?

I am a lifelong Labour voter. I am presently disillusioned with Corbyn, as I think he has played things in recent months totally wrong. I think his No.2 (McDonnell?) appears totally out of touch with ordinary people, and as someone else has mentioned in an earlier post re MPs in general, appears to be spouting his own view, not anywhere near the views of the people, IMO. I fear Labour will lose millions of votes in a GE, with how those two have performed in recent months...

Just my own opinions above.

 

[neil999]

I am a lifelong Labour voter. I am presently disillusioned with Corbyn, as I think he has played things in recent months totally wrong. I think his No.2 (McDonnell?) appears totally out of touch with ordinary people, and as someone else has mentioned in an earlier post re MPs in general, appears to be spouting his own view, not anywhere near the views of the people, IMO. I fear Labour will lose millions of votes in a GE, with how those two have performed in recent months...

Just my own opinions above.

So i assume from that you will grudgingly vote labour? i think they will maintain their base with similar opinions to yourself

 

[Xizor]

so an MP isn't there to represent the wishes of his constituents

Correct. They use their judgement to vote in ways that (in their view) are for the best for their constituents. That isn't necessarily "the wishes" of those constituents.

Remember that an MP's constituents include everybody living inside the constituency, and not just the people that voted for them (or even just those eligible to vote). It's everybody.

just a random person ,who can tell you anything to get voted in then do what they want once there in parliament , even if its the exact opposite position to what got them electected.

Well they aren't random, but yes, pretty much. Anybody can claim anything on the campaign trail and then not follow through on it (*ahem Leave on the 31st October*), the whole point of democracy is that you can hold people up to scrutiny and then use the process to elect someone else in their stead once they are a known liar.

May as well not have a party system in place if what they say isn't worth listening to, lets have a lottery you name gets picked out at random in your area and off you go as it doesn't matter anyway what anybody else thinks. you can just give your personal opinion.

Now you're just being facetious. But I do think strong political parties are part of the problem.

if they are liars ect you can get rid of them next time and put another lair in there place , that's a great way for democracy to work.

That is literally how it works. I'm not defending it as a great system but that's literally what we have. This is of course not true of the referendum, where the liars have won and we have no democratic recourse to fix it later.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I have refrained from commenting further on Brexit.

However I will comment on a GE.

Theresa May had a working majority in Parliament, from Cameron's GE. Her mistake, in hindsight, was trying to bolster that majority even more, which backfired on her, as we know, as she ended up without a Tory majority, and had to seek the assistance of the DUP.

At the moment, Parliament appears 'locked' in not doing anything. Note I say 'appears', as I am not conversant with all Parliamentary business. A GE is needed to (hopefully) arrive at a position of a working Government again, when business can be conducted and passed.

Another Referendum, of whatever shade or content, does NOT solve the present Parliamentary crisis, IMO.

You can't overturn the will of the people...this is what we all voted for.

 

[summerisle]

Jam tomorrow.

 

[Joey66]

You can't overturn the will of the people...this is what we all voted for.

80% in the last GE voted for two major parties who pledged to honour the referendum result.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

80% in the last GE voted for two major parties who pledged to honour the referendum result.....

So we don't need another election...

 

[The binman chronicles]

I'm inclined to agree. The Tories want it (for obvious reasons). I wonder if the EU have placed conditions on the extension that something has to change in the UK.

There needs to be one else the government is useless and not fit for purpose. If you had an opposition that was happy to put through most of the policies of the minority government then that may be different but these two are poles apart and wouldn't even be able to agree what biscuits should be on the table at a meeting.

 

[Undisputed_blue]

He got re-elected as London Mayor didn’t he......

He did by mud slinging.