Current Affairs EU In or Out

[ChesterBlue]

17.4 million voted otherwise it's not rediculous to run your own country, without EU interference......

17.4 million people chose to destroy their children’s, and our younger generation’s futures. Those 17.4 million people should be ashamed.

 

[Ruairi77]

Why not Joe? Like, currently, any EU citizen can live and work in the UK, and millions do. See the French Quarter in London as an example of how beneficial that is to UK Plc.

Folk from outside the EU are subject to THE UK'S OWN BORDER RULES AND CONTROLS.

So how will being outside the EU make a shred of difference to how we currently "Control our Borders"?

unfortunately, you can make sensible posts like this all day and Joey either wont respond to the direct post or will just say "17.4 million".

 

[Joey66]

Firstly, why not? Secondly, the 'managed' part of immigration has been higher than the 'unmanaged' part for absolutely years, with the biggest reason for those 'managed' migrants coming to Britain being for family reasons (ie bugger all to do with any of your absurd points). The high skilled tier 1 visa lets in a few hundred people per year, out of a 'managed' total of around 300,000. Indeed, just 60,000 of the 300,000 'managed' migrants that come to Britain each year are under the skills-based tier 1 and 2 visa.

I'm sure you knew that when crafting your deeply thought out treatise on migration rather than repeating what ever rubbish you hear on LBC.

Like James O'Brien....,.

 

[Joey66]

17.4 million people chose to destroy their children’s, and our younger generation’s futures. Those 17.4 million people should be ashamed.

Equals democracy we have not left as yet and you moan.....

 

[Joey66]

1. The UK isn't part of Schengen. Protocol 20 to the TFEU has an opt-out from the prohibition of EU border controls. The UK can maintain border controls on anyone coming into the UK from a member state. Which is why you need to show your passport if you travel from the UK to anywhere in Europe. But it also allows other Member States to put equivalent border controls on anyone entering that Country from the UK and Ireland (Ireland being part of the CTA)

The legislation is here: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:12012E/TXT


2. EU law does't give anyone from an another Member State an unequivocal to enter or remain in the UK. Principally, the right to reside in the UK without any conditions only lasts for three months. The law for that is here: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=URISERV:l33152

Also, the right to reside or come to the UK is subject to further limitations “on grounds of public policy, public security or public health”. That's A.45(3) and 52 of the first link (part 1).

The UK, specifically, also retains the right to restrict the freedom of movement and residence of EU citizens and their family members, where their personal conduct represents “a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society” which is also part of The TFEU A27(1) (again first link) but also https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32004L0038 and the originating member state has to accept them back.

Here's a case specifically about denial of individuals to move across borders to work in the UK: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Duyn_v_Home_Office

It's day 1 of anyone studying EU Law at degree.

You googled most of that well..

 

[Jebus_lives]

You googled most of that well..

Even if I had, what part of it would be incorrect?

 

[Blues Harp]

Equals democracy we have not left as yet and you moan.....

Has your head exploded yet? You are one of these "Boris Bots" aren't you.

 

[nsno-chris]

17.4 million voted otherwise it's not rediculous to run your own country, without EU interference......

joe the failure to run our country is down to our politicians. I’m not the EUs greatest fan, the idea of common trading bloc is great but I do think it’s trying to become something it shouldn’t.

But we do have the ability to run our own borders, it’s well known fact that the U.K. Government just won’t implement

 

[Ruairi77]

The polictical union and the monies we pay for membership....

The political union was/is necessary to manage the economic union. If there was no political representation, who would govern the economic union.
The UK has shown how versatile the EU is when it comes to levels of participation in the union.
The membership cost is worth it for access to a market almost 10 times the size of the UK. It also gets/got reinvested in the UK.
The political union and monies you pay in membership have kept peace in western Europe for 70 years.

 

[Jebus_lives]

You googled most of that well..

EU facts behind the claims: borders – Full Fact

In partnership with experts at the UK in a Changing Europe project, we've taken a look at the facts behind the claims on EU borders and security.

fullfact.org

'The British government retains full control over its own border controls. Travellers who hold EU passports can’t cross the UK border without having their passport or identity checked, and the same applies for travellers from non-EU countries.'

Do we control our borders or not?

 

[Joey66]

The political union was/is necessary to manage the economic union. If there was no political representation, who would govern the economic union.
The UK has shown how versatile the EU is when it comes to levels of participation in the union.
The membership cost is worth it for access to a market almost 10 times the size of the UK. It also gets/got reinvested in the UK.
The political union and monies you pay in membership have kept peace in western Europe for 70 years.

That's why it lost the refferendum in 2016 plus the two main parties manefesto,s honoured that vote with 80 percent of the vote.....of the two main parties.....

 

[Joey66]

EU facts behind the claims: borders – Full Fact

In partnership with experts at the UK in a Changing Europe project, we've taken a look at the facts behind the claims on EU borders and security.

fullfact.org

'The British government retains full control over its own border controls. Travellers who hold EU passports can’t cross the UK border without having their passport or identity checked, and the same applies for travellers from non-EU countries.'

Do we control our borders or not?

Yes more border police passport checks ...

 

[Joey66]

joe the failure to run our country is down to our politicians. I’m not the EUs greatest fan, the idea of common trading bloc is great but I do think it’s trying to become something it shouldn’t.

But we do have the ability to run our own borders, it’s well known fact that the U.K. Government just won’t implement

Very hard with the four freedoms of the EU....

 

[Blues Harp]

Come back @peteblue all is forgiven..... lol lol lol lol

 

[Joey66]

Has your head exploded yet? You are one of these "Boris Bots" aren't you.

No just stating what democracy is.....