Current Affairs EU In or Out

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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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You can not have a population the size of Hull entering every year Bruce.
Hence a points system which is fairer than Thereasa Mays system on high salaries .....

Why not Joe? Like, currently, any EU citizen can live and work in the UK, and millions do. See the French Quarter in London as an example of how beneficial that is to UK Plc.

Folk from outside the EU are subject to THE UK'S OWN BORDER RULES AND CONTROLS.

So how will being outside the EU make a shred of difference to how we currently "Control our Borders"?
 
You can not have a population the size of Hull entering every year Bruce.
Hence a points system which is fairer than Thereasa Mays system on high salaries .....

Firstly, why not? Secondly, the 'managed' part of immigration has been higher than the 'unmanaged' part for absolutely years, with the biggest reason for those 'managed' migrants coming to Britain being for family reasons (ie bugger all to do with any of your absurd points). The high skilled tier 1 visa lets in a few hundred people per year, out of a 'managed' total of around 300,000. Indeed, just 60,000 of the 300,000 'managed' migrants that come to Britain each year are under the skills-based tier 1 and 2 visa.

I'm sure you knew that when crafting your deeply thought out treatise on migration rather than repeating what ever rubbish you hear on LBC.
 
Why not Joe? Like, currently, any EU citizen can live and work in the UK, and millions do. See the French Quarter in London as an example of how beneficial that is to UK Plc.

Folk from outside the EU are subject to THE UK'S OWN BORDER RULES AND CONTROLS.

So how will being outside the EU make a shred of difference to how we currently "Control our Borders"?

Don't give him evidence man. It's irrelevant that the most successful parts of the UK are those with the highest number of migrants. Facts and stuff, we just don't need 'em.
 
Our own extra trade our own borders our independence..our own rules....

1. The UK isn't part of Schengen. Protocol 20 to the TFEU has an opt-out from the prohibition of EU border controls. The UK can maintain border controls on anyone coming into the UK from a member state. Which is why you need to show your passport if you travel from the UK to anywhere in Europe. But it also allows other Member States to put equivalent border controls on anyone entering that Country from the UK and Ireland (Ireland being part of the CTA)

The legislation is here: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:12012E/TXT


2. EU law does't give anyone from an another Member State an unequivocal to enter or remain in the UK. Principally, the right to reside in the UK without any conditions only lasts for three months. The law for that is here: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=URISERV:l33152

Also, the right to reside or come to the UK is subject to further limitations “on grounds of public policy, public security or public health”. That's A.45(3) and 52 of the first link (part 1).

The UK, specifically, also retains the right to restrict the freedom of movement and residence of EU citizens and their family members, where their personal conduct represents “a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society” which is also part of The TFEU A27(1) (again first link) but also https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32004L0038 and the originating member state has to accept them back.

Here's a case specifically about denial of individuals to move across borders to work in the UK: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Duyn_v_Home_Office

It's day 1 of anyone studying EU Law at degree.
 
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Why not Joe? Like, currently, any EU citizen can live and work in the UK, and millions do. See the French Quarter in London as an example of how beneficial that is to UK Plc.

Folk from outside the EU are subject to THE UK'S OWN BORDER RULES AND CONTROLS.

So how will being outside the EU make a shred of difference to how we currently "Control our Borders"?
And folk from within the EU.
 
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