Current Affairs EU In or Out

[summerisle]

 

[davek]

Interesting this series of tweets:

 

[tsubaki]

His comment about the sports media is laughable but agreed with him on his overall point. The press lets this country down on a daily basis, the level of coverage on the most important issues is in gutter and as a consequence it threatens our democracy.

TBF even the sports media wouldn't be going around saying a manager who had lost eight of the nine games he had ever overseen was the best thing since sliced bread.

 

[Joey66]

This will drag on until the 31st when the vote will be deal or no deal....

 

[Bluerover]

Negotiations , or at least the article 50 was 2 years ago. There wasn't any negotiating until that happened so that year before was neither here nor there

Fair enough but why did HMG sit on its hands for a year or more after the result was known?

Incredible level of lethargy regarding such a momentous issue.

 

[Paris]

Has anything come out yet contradicting Starmer as usually happens?

 

[Goat]

Europe is fed up with Brexit, but it’s still best for all if Britain stays in | Timothy Garton Ash

Macron may have doubts, but if the deal isn’t approved the EU must grant the UK an extension – for its own sake as well as ours, says Guardian columnist Timothy Garton Ash

www.theguardian.com

We have elections every 4 years, the Brexit vote was 3 years ago, it is no longer the will of the people, there needs to be a vote before we leave.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Well the vote was to leave, so how about back to the country with the 2 options leave with the deal or leave without the deal ?

But leaving without a deal is plain dumb.

 

[Aberblue]

But leaving without a deal is plain dumb.

Sadly, there's no shortage of dumb people in the UK.

 

[Kenshin]

Fair enough but why did HMG sit on its hands for a year or more after the result was known?

Incredible level of lethargy regarding such a momentous issue.

Apparently it was because the EU refused to talk to us until article 50 happened.

I only know looking a Facebook quote up before and found that on my travels.

Also what I was looking up was wrong so least I got something out of those minutes

 

[Tubey]

Interesting this series of tweets:

This part though.



I have no idea what this achieves. You get sent back a hung parliament, 99/100, because one issue is dominant. And if that hung parliament has the balance of votes in any way towards remain, then the issue goes on perpetually.

It needs a second referendum. Again, if Johnson was smart, he'd take ownership of it - make it happen on his terms. He could even play dirty - paint it as "wasting the peoples time" or whatever spin he wants, but ultimately he'd be able to campaign saying "I trust the British people to affirm the vote" or whatever. The point would be he'd be able to go into the referendum not being forced into it, which is political suicide and you'd expect him to resign before contesting it.

 

[Tubey]

Fair enough but why did HMG sit on its hands for a year or more after the result was known?

Incredible level of lethargy regarding such a momentous issue.

It was around 9 months, can't be bothered checking exactly, but honestly the problem wasn't that they waited too long - it's that they didn't wait long enough.

By triggering A50 early, we gave the EU all the cards, because we hadn't determined ourselves what we wanted.

You know the discussions we're having now, about how to leave? This should have all been done in the HoC long before A50 was triggered.

The sole reason we did it was political. Farage wanted it done the day after the referendum and just leave on no deal - that's the madness that forced the Tories hand.

 

[Kurt.]

Apparently it was because the EU refused to talk to us until article 50 happened.

I only know looking a Facebook quote up before and found that on my travels.

Also what I was looking up was wrong so least I got something out of those minutes

I may be wrong but I don’t believe the Eu could have begun talks with us (or us with them) until after invoking article 50


They never refused as you put it, but if it’s on Facebook then you know.. it must be true.

 

[Kenshin]

I may be wrong but I don’t believe the Eu could have begun talks with us (or us with them) until after invoking article 50


They never refused as you put it, but if it’s on Facebook then you know.. it must be true.

It was something else on Facebook I was looking up.

The quote about them refusing to talk to us.

At a meeting of the Heads of Government of the other states in June 2016, leaders decided that they would not start any negotiation before the UK formally invoked Article 50. Consequently, the President of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, ordered all members of the EU Commission not to engage in any kind of contact with UK parties regarding Brexit

 

[edge]

Europe is fed up with Brexit, but it’s still best for all if Britain stays in | Timothy Garton Ash

Macron may have doubts, but if the deal isn’t approved the EU must grant the UK an extension – for its own sake as well as ours, says Guardian columnist Timothy Garton Ash

www.theguardian.com

We have elections every 4 years, the Brexit vote was 3 years ago, it is no longer the will of the people, there needs to be a vote before we leave.

if we voted in say a Labour government and spent the next 3 years stopping that happening , through the courts parliament pulling stunts, left right and centre and a blatantly biased speaker allowing it
would you be happy with that, if people said although it hasn't even happened , you have changed your mind we think , no proof to back it up with, but we know better
would that be ok just to call for a new vote?