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[peteblue]

Extension Rebellion

I’m stealing this.....

 

[Tubey]

So yet again MPs are not agreeing a deal but then making sure we don't leave without one.

It's silly now, the deal isn't what everyone wants but then everyone wants something different. So there will never be a compromise on the deal , it will keep going on and on. The events of the past 2 months are;

Johnson- leave without a deal but try and get one before

Everyone- change the law to stop no deal

Johnson - if you don't support me, let's have an election and see if you can do better.

Everyone- no , we can't leave without a deal

Johnson- here's a deal then

Everyone - no, let's pass something that will delay it yet again even though we probably won't support it.

Everyone again- we need to get a deal from the EU .

FFS it's been 2 and a half years and that's what we have. The EU won't ever agree to what is the best deal for the country because it doesn't benefit them. It's wishful thinking that will never go anywhere. So either agree the damn deal or admit you don't want to leave and this is delay tactics.

That assumes that there's a reason why we should rush into something objectively bad for us. There isn't.

Even those who say "oooohh we should leave because we voted leave!" would have to acknowledge that they didn't vote for when to leave. Nothing in the question said when to trigger A50. Nothing said we'd leave by <date> if we voted to leave. "Delay" is simply the rhetoric of Leave - they are the ones who have rushed to an imaginary finishing line.

If parliament think what has been offered up is crap, then it's their job to reject it.

There's been a logic to everything parliament has done so far. They're waiting to get something that is not terrible, or at the very least if there's only terrible stuff on the table, they want the people to vote on it because they can't wash their hands of their responsibility to do the best for the country.

I said this with May and I'll say it again with Johnson - if he had any sense, any at all, he'd put his deal now back to the country with the alternative option of remain. Because he'd pass it through parliament in a heartbeat, and the subsequent decision would have massive political legitimacy.

If he doesn't and his deal dies the death May's did, it's his own fault, just like it was hers.

 

[random]

he'd put his deal now back to the country with the alternative option of remain.

Well the vote was to leave, so how about back to the country with the 2 options leave with the deal or leave without the deal ?

 

[tsubaki]

So yet again MPs are not agreeing a deal but then making sure we don't leave without one.

It's silly now, the deal isn't what everyone wants but then everyone wants something different. So there will never be a compromise on the deal , it will keep going on and on. The events of the past 2 months are;

Johnson- leave without a deal but try and get one before

Everyone- change the law to stop no deal

Johnson - if you don't support me, let's have an election and see if you can do better.

Everyone- no , we can't leave without a deal

Johnson- here's a deal then

Everyone - no, let's pass something that will delay it yet again even though we probably won't support it.

Everyone again- we need to get a deal from the EU .

FFS it's been 2 and a half years and that's what we have. The EU won't ever agree to what is the best deal for the country because it doesn't benefit them. It's wishful thinking that will never go anywhere. So either agree the damn deal or admit you don't want to leave and this is delay tactics.

You've missed the bit where Johnson was offered a deal and rejected it, twice.

 

[tsubaki]

who is that then.....

This bloke, pete.

 

[Tubey]

Well the vote was to leave, so how about back to the country with the 2 options leave with the deal or leave without the deal ?

Because it's the job of the government to express the instruction of the first referendum. They have to determine what "leave" looks like. That's one option. If government can't get parliament to agree to that vision, then that's literally what the option of a referendum exists for - this exact scenario.

It's now three and a half years later - all polling says there's a massive appetite to remain. It'd be politically insane to not have remain as an option as you'd have a mass of abstentions and the turnout would be woeful.

The way to phrase the question is to present a deal with a "yes" or "no" outcome. If "no" won, it'd be tantamount to remain.

If the government doesn't want to put a deal to the people, the question would be "do you want to leave the EU without a deal".

I've been constantly puzzled as to why the government - first under May when her withdrawal agreement failed the second time and now with Johnson - don't take the bull by the horns and own the second referendum issue. It sorts every problem. The only reason they won't go for it is ideological - they are simply afraid of it.

 

[peteblue]

This bloke, pete.

Ah, a complete nutter......

 

[tsubaki]

Ah, a complete nutter......

Not really - Horan knows what he is doing, so he is a scumbag rather than a nutter.

 

[orchard]

Horan, he of the 2004 Olympic Marathon

Crikey, just checked his wiki...

 

[peteblue]

Not really - Horan knows what he is doing, so he is a scumbag rather than a nutter.

Not to detract from your post but if you want a proper scumbag here he is.....

 

[tsubaki]

some spot on comments from a very unlikely source:

 

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[Bluerover]

So yet again MPs are not agreeing a deal but then making sure we don't leave without one.

It's silly now, the deal isn't what everyone wants but then everyone wants something different. So there will never be a compromise on the deal , it will keep going on and on. The events of the past 2 months are;

Johnson- leave without a deal but try and get one before

Everyone- change the law to stop no deal

Johnson - if you don't support me, let's have an election and see if you can do better.

Everyone- no , we can't leave without a deal

Johnson- here's a deal then

Everyone - no, let's pass something that will delay it yet again even though we probably won't support it.

Everyone again- we need to get a deal from the EU .

FFS it's been 2 and a half years and that's what we have. The EU won't ever agree to what is the best deal for the country because it doesn't benefit them. It's wishful thinking that will never go anywhere. So either agree the damn deal or admit you don't want to leave and this is delay tactics.

June 2016 mate. Three years and four months.

 

[dannyboy]

some spot on comments from a very unlikely source:

His comment about the sports media is laughable but agreed with him on his overall point. The press lets this country down on a daily basis, the level of coverage on the most important issues is in gutter and as a consequence it threatens our democracy.

 

[Kenshin]

June 2016 mate. Three years and four months.

Negotiations , or at least the article 50 was 2 years ago. There wasn't any negotiating until that happened so that year before was neither here nor there