Current Affairs EU In or Out

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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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The binman chronicles said:
It's ok until we need some other countries help. Who knows what will happen in future but Russia is not going to start on the EU. However if it can undermine and split the countries up then it becomes entirely possible of picking off the minnows.
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Russia will indeed not start on the EU, because the USA, UK and France are defending it. However i believe that the EU is becoming a bit of a bully in its own right, pushing its expansion up to the doors of Russia, and eventually will over step the mark......
 
Tonight you need to imagine what is going through the heads of the various opposition leaders and the Remainer hardcore regarding Saturdays debate and vote. A general election will surely follow and they will all be thinking about any potential backlash for previous behaviour. We will find out on Saturday......
 
dead_soft said:
You have routinely shown yourself to have little clue about what you are talking about but, gosh, you are passionate about thinking you do. Suggesting links between modern day German leaders and Nazi Germany shows you up for who you are.
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Nice speech, laudable, very snowflake... naive in the extreme......
 
As I said earlier in this thread, Johnson’s plan was always simple and clear, no master strategy - bring back a similar deal to may, with very little time to oppose it. He’d have much preferred to have no deal on the table as a threat to dissenting MPs, but I think he’ll get enough onside to get it over the line, without the Benn act coming into play.

How some are seeing it as some great feat of diplomacy is baffling, but for those people, Johnson could announce a kick in the crotch for every person in the country, and they’d be be eagerly forming a queue, while praising his ingenuity.

The deal is hard brexit enough to satisfy most Leavers, apart from the ardent No Deal weirdos, for whom, Brexit will never be ’Brexit enough’.

Hopefully, as and when we leave, we can see the end of the inane “17.4m”, “will of the people” shouts, and future conversations can finally happen on the basis of facts, rather than feelings. If it all goes well, after the transitional period, everyone will be happy.
 
peteblue said:
It is Bruce. You just need to get up to speed. It’s over, the deal has been done, the EU are on the side of Boris, the people of the U.K. are on the side of Boris, you just need to rethink your position.......
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Pete, the EU were on the side of May too. They agreed the withdrawal arrangement she brought back to parliament. It's only weirdos that have ever painted them as the enemy, and it's very strange how the exact same process you decried as the UK being sold down the river is now being painted as the equivalent of Dunkirk. That's some impressive propaganda you've swallowed.
 
Catfish Blues said:
Much as I dislike Johnson, and his party's politics, I have to admire what he's done.
In the limelight, he comes across as a bungling idiot, but, by all accounts, when he's in a less public environment, unlike May, he's very personable.

I've no idea if this deal will go through parliament, but, if it doesn't, and the result is a second referendum, with the choice between this deal ( or May's deal ) and Remain, then the result of that referendum, has to be legally binding, and, if the majority vote to leave with the deal, then parliament must be obliged to implement it.
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Can we just be clear on one thing? This is a withdrawal agreement. It is scarcely 1% of what needs to be done here. We're talking as though Johnson and the EU have agreed the entire future relationship, or how citizens rights will be managed or any of the other vastly complicated aspects of our relationship with Europe. They haven't. They've agree the basic terms of Britain's withdrawal from the EU. Lets call a spade a spade.
 
peteblue said:
For me the EU is acting like a previous era colonialist, ever expanding, integrating and harmonising. It will eventually bump up big style with Russia and I don’t wish to be part of it when it does. I’m quite happy being part of a little island minding its own business and looking after itself.....
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Countries actively wanting to join the EU is absolutely nothing like a country (we can call it Britain if you like?) invading and taking over another country. As for your comment about Germany always wanting to rule Europe. Ffs Pete, you've become a caricature.
 
Actually think we have Brexit beat reading various pieces from its professional protagonists, at worst it's Mays deal with the blond wig which in essence forevermore regulatory alignment, maybe vote this down and we can assign Brexit to the bin altogether with confirmation referendum.
 
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