Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

You're cherry picking Pete. You're quite happy with the letter of democracy when it's your hero in power despite no one voting for him, yet expect an advisory referendum to be followed come what may.

If you accepted that your values around democracy are solely dependent upon your wishes being followed then that would be easier to accept, but you insist that you have some purity of purpose, which is frankly absurd.

If we don’t observe the result of a vote, what is the point in voting.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If we don’t observe the result of a vote, what is the point in voting.....

As has been pointing out hundreds of times, we could have left via May's withdrawal agreement, but you didn't want to. You only value democracy when it's what you want.

 

[Amw79]

This new deal will simply underline what has always been the case, that there is not, and never has been, a majority for any genuine outcome.

The 52% Leave vote was a combination of multiple contradictory positions, forced together under one banner, into a false dichotomy referendum.

Failure to understand and accept this key problem, means we can never approach a solution, palatable to a true majority.

 

[The binman chronicles]

So far we have had, Project fear 1,2 & 3, the demonising of Leave voters (racist, too old, too stupid etc), no one voted for a hard Brexit, no one voted for a no deal, the cliff edge. Now we have breaking up the U.K., people are changing their minds, a people’s vote is required. All the while of course taking the side of the EU over the U.K.. Even now Remainers are plotting to delay, extend, revoke, anything to reverse the referendum. This is what is so sad. Instead of accepting the result and then doing their best to ensure a clean break and a trade deal, Remainers have dragged the country down and given it a good kicking, for what ?.....

It's a fact that anyone from the leave side dismissed no deal as project fear. The game's changed, you can't just carry on and play by the same rules. The people should give a mandate for a no deal and the consequences with it. If there still is a majority for that then fine.

I'm not for the EU, push comes to shove we have to do what is right for us. It just happens to be that the EU care for our wellbeing more than our own parliament do.

You talk about breaking up the UK like it is just a rumour, look for yourself the evidence is there to see it is a clear and present danger. Carry on this course of pig headedness then it is guaranteed to happen. Work out what is best for the UK and it isn't hard to see what should happen.

 

[peteblue]

As has been pointing out hundreds of times, we could have left via May's withdrawal agreement, but you didn't want to. You only value democracy when it's what you want.

It wasn’t acceptable to NI. We wait to see if the next one is......

 

[Tubey]

I think Francois might just be the most mental of the lot of them.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

I think Francois might just be the most mental of the lot of them.

How does somebody that thick hold elected office?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I think Francois might just be the most mental of the lot of them.

Utterly abhorrent individual. Christ

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

So far we have had, Project fear 1,2 & 3, the demonising of Leave voters (racist, too old, too stupid etc),

There is a reason why Labour and very recently Conservative party are looking at that Brexit vote, and concentrating in on the areas that are referred as "left behind Britain". Incidentally many of these areas voted leave, and EU policy or decisions had little to do with why these feel disconnected and left behind. Labour have been engaging for 18 months now with road shows up and down the country. Indeed, to describe these people in these areas as stupid, well it won't work where it counts.

 

[Tubey]

Utterly abhorrent individual. Christ

I honestly think he got bullied as a kid for his surname or something, so hates anything French or somewhat loosely related to France. It's one of the only reasons I can come up with for his thought processes.

I bet he wakes up every morning and stomps viciously on a croissant.

 

[Bluerover]

Telegraph now reporting that DUP has agreed the customs proposals that are suggested but is holding out for Stormont consent. It wants to be able to block economic alignment with EU through Stormont.

 

[Amw79]

I think Francois might just be the most mental of the lot of them.

Being the optimist that I am, as and when we leave the EU, I will look on the bright side that he will disappear back into the perfectly reconstructed WW2 bunker he no doubt has at home, get back to his Spitfire Airfix and we will no longer have to be subjected to his English National Party rhetoric

 

[tsubaki]

There is a reason why Labour and very recently Conservative party are looking at that Brexit vote, and concentrating in on the areas that are referred as "left behind Britain". Incidentally many of these areas voted leave, and EU policy or decisions had little to do with why these feel disconnected and left behind. Labour have been engaging for 18 months now with road shows up and down the country. Indeed, to describe these people in these areas as stupid, well it won't work where it counts.

Indeed - and one of the biggest things propping up the leave % in polling is them thinking, correctly, that if we were to stay in that their lives would not change for the better.
The same people will still be going around making the same arguments about the benefits of globalisation and whatnot.

 

[tsubaki]

Incidentally, I think it's vital that a 2nd referendum is given, as it's almost certain that Johnson's withdrawal agreement will be 'harder' than May's, and will sell out NI into the bargain. The fact that he's brought back a 'deal' however would be nectar in a GE, especially if parliament rejects it (as it surely will). I guess we'll see what Labour and Corbyn are made of now.

I would hope Labour would have better sense than to call for a second referendum, with Boris Johnson’s deal vs remain as the options, that will be overseen by one Boris Johnson.

 

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