Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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The referendum vote?

No they dont.

Yes they do, or all the crusty Leavers will weep into their incontinence pants, and throw a tantrum until nurse comes with their special milky drink.

Oh, I actually met a regretful Leaver a few weeks ago! I was on holiday and she outright admitted she had no clue what her vote meant and she'd vote to Remain now. Of course she was in her 30s and not some selfish retired 'nothing can touch me, my final salary pension or my property portfolio' boor.
 
I'm not sure mate. As I understand it, this will be different (more labyrinthine) assessment of who owes what, where, when and how long for than the May proposals that attempted it.

The NI border issue (as well as a real live issue) was also always a road block for Brexit. It'll see
Johnson through the end of October and beyond, at least...and in all likelihood these talks will bear no fruit anyway.

As Barnier said a few hours ago: the latest British customs proposals for the Irish border remained an “untested” risk that the bloc could not countenance.

The thing is, if they are "tunneling", they are getting down into semantics. As detailed as where the comma goes in a sentence, genuinely. So Johnson offered something on Thursday that was a massive concession - and what they will be doing now is a face-saving exercise with the language. Whatever said concession was, had May tried it, she'd have lost by 500 votes. It's a ludicrous situation. And sure, disagreement on the semantics could unsettle it at the death.

When Barnier says "untested", that can mean loads of things. The obvious: Task Force 50 haven't run it through a full gamut of scenarios. Or, there is no current equivalent elsewhere and everyone is taking a big gamble.

Johnson (and the EU) need only to get this over the line and in all likelihood, they've got 14 months + inevitable implementation period extension (24 more months) to get into the real detail. And of course, we will be well into the 37th month of that before a FEP takes shape.

Corbyn knows this too. Genuinely, before Jan - Feb 2019 no Party had any true idea of no deal Exit impact, and then when they did, they all wet the bed. If you read the Hansard scripts prior to the first votes, it's amazing how ill informed on the fundamentals the House was. For Corbyn, he knows with the sub-35 vote, he has a potential domestic agenda to make serious in roads into the Tory vote, maybe even get into small majority territory. Whip his MPs into an accidental no deal chain of events (where Johnson then scuppers an A50 extension) and it's chaos. I think he'll be incredibly shrewd and allow a free vote.

That's why you've got even Rees-Mogg now he's at the PM's top table talking about "necessary concessions" because other than perhaps 20? Or so complete zealots, your mutually assured destruction types, no one who has seen the info can even contemplate a no deal. All the global market data says we are weeks / months from another big crash. A bad no deal fall-out and that's the economy gone in several european states.
 
The squabbles are about politics. A minority party In Labour can see a chance to get JC into no 10. The SNP and LD’s can see a way to reverse the referendum, the extreme Remainers can see a way to stay in the EU....it has nothing to do with any deal, just a load of politicians wanting what they want......
Yep, there are a trillion agendas going on. Can't imagine anyone thinks they can get JC into No10 though.
 
The thing is, if they are "tunneling", they are getting down into semantics. As detailed as where the comma goes in a sentence, genuinely. So Johnson offered something on Thursday that was a massive concession - and what they will be doing now is a face-saving exercise with the language. Whatever said concession was, had May tried it, she'd have lost by 500 votes. It's a ludicrous situation. And sure, disagreement on the semantics could unsettle it at the death.

When Barnier says "untested", that can mean loads of things. The obvious: Task Force 50 haven't run it through a full gamut of scenarios. Or, there is no current equivalent elsewhere and everyone is taking a big gamble.

Johnson (and the EU) need only to get this over the line and in all likelihood, they've got 14 months + inevitable implementation period extension (24 more months) to get into the real detail. And of course, we will be well into the 37th month of that before a FEP takes shape.

Corbyn knows this too. Genuinely, before Jan - Feb 2019 no Party had any true idea of no deal Exit impact, and then when they did, they all wet the bed. If you read the Hansard scripts prior to the first votes, it's amazing how ill informed on the fundamentals the House was. For Corbyn, he knows with the sub-35 vote, he has a potential domestic agenda to make serious in roads into the Tory vote, maybe even get into small majority territory. Whip his MPs into an accidental no deal chain of events (where Johnson then scuppers an A50 extension) and it's chaos. I think he'll be incredibly shrewd and allow a free vote.

That's why you've got even Rees-Mogg now he's at the PM's top table talking about "necessary concessions" because other than perhaps 20? Or so complete zealots, your mutually assured destruction types, no one who has seen the info can even contemplate a no deal. All the global market data says we are weeks / months from another big crash. A bad no deal fall-out and that's the economy gone in several european states.
I dont accept that the EU have an interest in getting a deal over the line. I dont think it's about language and nuance concerning the wording of a deal, and I dont think there's a will to sign up on anything that leaves loose ends. It's too late for this deal, and they all know it. But most of all the EU wont wear a player on the edge of its own trading bloc capable of sucking in trade and away from them, and generally providing a danger to its own integrity. The EU dont want Brexit. This is still their aim. The only way forward here for them is for a GE and a new government that's committed to reversing Brexit.
 
I dont accept that the EU have an interest in getting a deal over the line. I dont think it's about language and nuance concerning the wording of a deal, and I dont think there's a will to sign up on anything that leaves loose ends. It's too late for this deal, and they all know it. But most of all the EU wont wear a player on the edge of its own trading bloc capable of sucking in trade and away from them, and generally providing a danger to its own integrity. The EU dont want Brexit. This is still their aim. The only way forward here for them is for a GE and a new government that's committed to reversing Brexit.

Um, ok - I think I'll just need to agree to disagree here, fair enough
 
I dont accept that the EU have an interest in getting a deal over the line. I dont think it's about language and nuance concerning the wording of a deal, and I dont think there's a will to sign up on anything that leaves loose ends. It's too late for this deal, and they all know it. But most of all the EU wont wear a player on the edge of its own trading bloc capable of sucking in trade and away from them, and generally providing a danger to its own integrity. The EU dont want Brexit. This is still their aim. The only way forward here for them is for a GE and a new government that's committed to reversing Brexit.
I actually think that they won't move quickly to accept anything new. The Benn Act, effectively strengthens the EU position, as they know that the UK legally can't move to No Deal, so now can sit back and say they want more concession from the UK on anything new proposed.
 
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