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[edge]

In English please

His clocks go forwards and backwards automatic on the change of daylight saving ect.
The ones in work do as well ,
thats something else we should get out of as well just leave it be.
If the jocks get independance do we get to say well f you and your farmers getting up in the dark we are staying put just deal with it you pasty faced bells.

 

[DowellsLeftPeg]

I read that UK has offered a pared down trade agreement, but as far as I was aware we can't discuss future relationship until after WA. So my theory is that it could be with Ireland, maybe rolls over the GFA and replaces backstop in the WA

Backstop was an insurance policy for UK, if UK couldn't fulfil obligations to Ireland. If UK and Ireland get a deal, Ireland can protect it's interests if EU are unable to negotiate a deal. EU members have ability to sign trade deals, much of Ireland & UK trade could be protected, expanded if no trade deal with EU was possible in transition and it would be up to Ireland to protect SM

EU said they wouldn't discuss future relationship until WA is done, but the obvious solution to a border is a treaty. There is some strange contrasts when you go from talking about frictionless trade and FoM, then demand an iron curtain and borders of which no combination of cameras, drones, blockchain or other technology can ever truly satisfy. We're a couple of islands, easy to do checks at ports, theres a lot of water that provides frictionto rest of the EU

UK, NI and Ireland are all on the same page of no hard border, it becomes increasingly problematic for EU to push for a wall, with checkpoints, sharks and helicopters, but also means they have minimal leverage on future relationship, as UK would already have limited access to SM by default by end of 2020 or sooner with no deal

EU wants to retain full access without balance, as they doing very well out of it, but ultimately they would have to open SM to UK's sexy low tax, low regulation bonanza. So think most likely outcome is a balanced pared down trade deal, but I suspect that they might realise they are on the clock and will be working overtime to extract as much as they can, but now think WA will pass before deadline and without major extension

 

[davek]

I actually think that they won't move quickly to accept anything new. The Benn Act, effectively strengthens the EU position, as they know that the UK legally can't move to No Deal, so now can sit back and say they want more concession from the UK on anything new proposed.

Yes, and the concession they want is on a NI backstop with no arseing about with abstractions...which they know politically cant be delivered.

Ergo: they dont want a deal, they want the threat to them eradicated.

 

[davek]

Sounds tonight like both the EU are dampening hopes of these proposals succeeding, no surprise there as the arrangement sounds unworkable.

Back to the cliff edge.

It's just a dance. There'll be no deal.

Extension then election.

Personally, I think Johnson has screwed up here going for negotiations. He'll have failed like May did - while also handing the impression he was "selling out' the Union, and the allure of the tough No Deal politician is evaporated.

Result: the BXT Party onto Tory Brexiteer voters like a rat up a drainpipe and a hung parliament.,

 

[Khalekan]

I'm not sure mate. As I understand it, this will be different (more labyrinthine) assessment of who owes what, where, when and how long for than the May proposals that attempted it.

The NI border issue (as well as a real live issue) was also always a road block for Brexit. It'll see
Johnson through the end of October and beyond, at least...and in all likelihood these talks will bear no fruit anyway.

As Barnier said a few hours ago: the latest British customs proposals for the Irish border remained an “untested” risk that the bloc could not countenance.

I will be mightily amazed if the EU agrees owt which gives NI, either through a Referendum or by a vote in their Assembly, the right to vote on EU procedures every four years.

That idea is just barking.

 

[davek]

I will be mightily amazed if the EU agrees owt which gives NI, either through a Referendum or by a vote in their Assembly, the right to vote on EU procedures every four years.

That idea is just barking.

I imagine the EU view these creatures from the DUP with abhorence and wont want to be seeing them anytime soon again. I think the whole of the world looks at that lot and has the greatest sympathy with other politicians in the north and the political class of the RoI who have to breathe the same air is them.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

It's just a dance. There'll be no deal.

Extension then election.

Personally, I think Johnson has screwed up here going for negotiations. He'll have failed like May did - while also handing the impression he was "selling out' the Union, and the allure of the tough No Deal politician is evaporated.

Result: the BXT Party onto Tory Brexiteer voters like a rat up a drainpipe and a hung parliament.,

It is a charade to make it look like he did everything possible up until the last minute but the EU wouldn't budge so he can blame them for the fallout.

The arrangement he is proposing is farcical.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Lads you've had 6 weeks, presumably you've put your heads together and come up with a form of words as to why everyone now is happy to accept 'the worst deal ever' and 'a deal that is not Brexit'.
@Old Blue 2

Don't know why I'm referenced. So here's a nice song that makes as much sense lyrically as Parliament has in recent times (except that this is a great live song with the involvement of a youth orchestra). A certain Scouse group did the original...



Woooooooo!

 

[DowellsLeftPeg]

I think it's important to understand the legal situation, as that is the context over which everything is being argued. I don't understand much, but think EU are running out of excuses for the backstop

As far as I'm aware the new proposal try to give NI the option to opt out of backstop along with the rest of UK. May's backstop meant that if UK exercised it's soveriegn right to withdrawal from negotiations, NI would stay in EU, the backstop would have been the defacto agreement with no timelimit or exit for NI

There is 1 agreement, UK can resolve the 1 conflict it has, directly, without the EU. It just needs the EU to acknowledge the situation and find a way to save face, let them say they have found a way to preserve the GFA and peace, maybe secure a trade deal now rather than face the pressure during transition

 

[Charlie Sweet]

I imagine the EU view these creatures from the DUP with abhorence and wont want to be seeing them anytime soon again. I think the whole of the world looks at that lot and has the greatest sympathy with other politicians in the north and the political class of the RoI who have to breathe the same air is them.

Exactly.

I reckon it's their stance against gay marriage that particularly marks them out. That and their ability to rant at the drop of a hat.

 

[davek]

It is a charade to make it look like he did everything possible up until the last minute but the EU wouldn't budge so he can blame them for the fallout.

The arrangement he is proposing is farcical.

"Schrodinger's Backstop" - Robert Peston.

Apt.

 

[davek]

Exactly.

I reckon it's their stance against gay marriage that particularly marks them out. That and their ability to rant at the drop of a hat.

The plantation's over, get back to Scotland.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Not so related but what the hell lol

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Not so related but what the hell lol

Anyone wearing a T-Shirt bearing the face of any politician is generally unhinged and best avoided.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Anyone wearing a T-Shirt bearing the face of any politician is generally unhinged and best avoided.

and he is sitting next to Brazil's far right president Jair Bolsonaro there.