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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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mellowblue said:
Sorry, I read it to mean in the context of controlled immigration which we have always had.....think Joe meant a complete free for all.
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Pretty sure thats what Corbyn said at the conference. Not a direct quote, obvs, but the inference was the UK would have open borders and welcome the world. Or sommet like that

edit. Just googled the text of his speech, and didnt say that at all. No idea why I thought he did. And no, I dont read any newspaper, let alone the usual suspects.

I think they all it a senior moment.
 
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roydo said:
Pretty sure thats what Corbyn said at the conference. Not a direct quote, obvs, but the inference was the UK would have open borders and welcome the world. Or sommet like that

edit. Just googled the text of his speech, and didnt say that at all. No idea why I thought he did. And no, I dont read any newspaper, let alone the usual suspects.

I think they all it a senior moment.
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Problem is when all of your senior moments run into one long one! lol
 
davek said:
I have no idea how this is likely to play out right now mate. If the ERG are split on it it's difficult to see how Johnson gets it done.

I still see no deal an extension and then a GE.
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I don’t think the ERG will be a problem.

That front bench is replete with people the ERG are in awe off........especially the Moggster.

They will be whipped in, I have no doubt.

The danger is rebel Labour MPs.

Kinnock jnr., Flint, Champion and others are more concerned with currying favour with Leave voters in their own bailiwicks and will rebel if Corbyn whips to defeat the deal.

Depends how many of them there are.

And I imagine the likes of Anna Soubry, Ken Clark, Dominic Grieve and other exiled Tories could live with the deal and vote for it.
 
Khalekan said:
I don’t think the ERG will be a problem.

That front bench is replete with people the ERG are in awe off........especially the Moggster.

They will be whipped in, I have no doubt.

The danger is rebel Labour MPs.

Kinnock jnr., Flint, Champion and others are more concerned with currying favour with Leave voters in their own bailiwicks and will rebel if Corbyn whips to defeat the deal.

Depends how many of them there are.

And I imagine the likes of Anna Soubry, Ken Clark, Dominic Grieve and other exiled Tories could live with the deal and vote for it.
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If the DUP see this as something they cant consider, then the ERG members (perhaps a minority, but still...) dont back it.

The screw will be getting turned over the weekend on the DUP, I have no doubt. It looks like a crushing defeat for them.

In the GE: the WA would have to be cracked open and changed on financial contributions to the EU, Euro Courts etc for Farage (already flagging up 'surrender' over the NI backstop) not to gather his forces and damage the Tory prospects of a majority.

Overall, I've said all along: GE = Tories the largest party, but no majority.
 
davek said:
If the DUP see this as something they cant consider, then the ERG members (perhaps a minority, but still...) dont back it.

The screw will be getting turned over the weekend on the DUP, I have no doubt. It looks like a crushing defeat for them.

In the GE: the WA would have to be cracked open and changed on financial contributions to the EU, Euro Courts etc for Farage (already flagging up 'surrender' over the NI backstop) not to gather his forces and damage the Tory prospects of a majority.

Overall, I've said all along: GE = Tories the largest party, but no majority.
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I think that is to get the pecking order back to front, Dave.

The DUP are useful idiots for the ERG...... not the other way round.

The ERG will do whatever suits them.....though as you say, there might be a few rebels.

Ulster Unionists have been used in this way before......I bet the words of Edward Carson are ringing in the ears of Big Arthur, Deputy Dodds and Samuel A. Tache this very evening :)
 
Just see Ian Paisley Jnr on TV threatening to use the DUP's "considerable influence" to wreck any deal they don't like, and by the sound of it they don't like this possible one already.

According to Big Arlene "any Brexit deal that traps Northern Ireland in EU structures will not get DUP support. The DUP would only back a withdrawal agreement that is in Northern Ireland's "long-term economic and constitutional interests"."

'Traps' ffs, very emotive language indeed. And the cheek of them to claim to speak for the majority of people in NI. What they mean of course is that they would only back a withdrawal agreement that is in the DUP's long-term constitutional interests. The Anti-Democratic Unionist Party they should be called.
 
Mark O'Silver said:
Just see Ian Paisley Jnr on TV threatening to use the DUP's "considerable influence" to wreck any deal they don't like, and by the sound of it they don't like this possible one already.

According to Big Arlene "any Brexit deal that traps Northern Ireland in EU structures will not get DUP support. The DUP would only back a withdrawal agreement that is in Northern Ireland's "long-term economic and constitutional interests"."

'Traps' ffs, very emotive language indeed. And the cheek of them to claim to speak for the majority of people in NI. What they mean of course is that they would only back a withdrawal agreement that is in the DUP's long-term constitutional interests. The Anti-Democratic Unionist Party they should be called.
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“Traps” is the same emotive language as “surrender” and of course Arlene’s “crocodiles”.

People should be willing to accept responsibility for their wording, particularly those trying to influence others to vote for them.
 
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