Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

No doubt they'll have been sold it (if they have) with some sort of veto on the duration of it.

Still a massive shift for them though.

This I would think. The EU were concerned about an immediate veto, but if there is a minimum period before it kicks in then it may be a goer...

 

[roydo]

The much recently quoted ‘blame game’ will actually take place within the Labour Party if Boris gets this over the line.....

If this comes off, with the GFA protected and an open border on Ireland, then I assume, a 2 year transition period, a'la the WA, I am absolutely fine with it.

And if Corbyn mobilises his party to oppose it for party reasons, (assuming their isnt some hidden trap in the deal), given the sheer desire to see the back of this in the country, he will be a laughing stock.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I'm hoping this will go down in history as "The Thornton Manor Sell Out" for the Unionists.

Going have to listen to Farage tonight, hell he will be on one...

 

[peteblue]

If this comes off, with the GFA protected and an open border on Ireland, then I assume, a 2 year transition period, a'la the WA, I am absolutely fine with it.

And if Corbyn mobilises his party to oppose it for party reasons, (assuming their isnt some hidden trap in the deal), given the sheer desire to see the back of this in the country, he will be a laughing stock.

The ‘Remain alliance’ will be no more, as everyone tries to readjust, and hopefully we will see the back of that toad in the speakers chair......

 

[orly]

If this comes off, with the GFA protected and an open border on Ireland, then I assume, a 2 year transition period, a'la the WA, I am absolutely fine with it.

And if Corbyn mobilises his party to oppose it for party reasons, (assuming their isnt some hidden trap in the deal), given the sheer desire to see the back of this in the country, he will be a laughing stock.

Either -

Until December 2020 (14 months)

Or

One time legal extension to Dec 2022 (38 months)

Implementation period does not scale with Article 50 extension

 

[roydo]

The ‘Remain alliance’ will be no more, as everyone tries to readjust, and hopefully we will see the back of that toad in the speakers chair......

Hes off anyrate. I have doubts, like you, that this will be plain sailing, but at least there is a glimmer that the stuff I gave a monkeys about might be ok. I for one would never trust the puppeteers still in play mind.

 

[roydo]

Either -

Until December 2020 (14 months)

Or

One time legal extension to Dec 2022 (38 months)

Implementation period does not scale with Article 50 extension

Nice one mate.

 

[orly]

Nice one mate.

No worries. Always worth everyone in here considering the likelihood of a monolithically complicated Future Economic Partnership being concluded in 14 months.

 

[roydo]

"The future relationship being strengthened politically and economically between NI and the ROI"

Blimey. Some wont like that ffs.

 

[Tubey]

If this comes off, with the GFA protected and an open border on Ireland, then I assume, a 2 year transition period, a'la the WA, I am absolutely fine with it.

And if Corbyn mobilises his party to oppose it for party reasons, (assuming their isnt some hidden trap in the deal), given the sheer desire to see the back of this in the country, he will be a laughing stock.

In that instance mate, it'd have to include a Border Poll. Because it'd be a united Ireland in all but name.

I'd also say that Scotland will now be screaming for separate measures too - for the CU to be applied to them as well. They'll also ask for a second referendum.

There's plenty of valid ground for Corbyn to oppose it if he's smart.

 

[orly]

"The future relationship being strengthened politically and economically between NI and the ROI"

Blimey. Some wont like that ffs.

Shoulder to shouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuullllllder

 

[roydo]

In that instance mate, it'd have to include a Border Poll. Because it'd be a united Ireland in all but name.

I'd also say that Scotland will now be screaming for separate measures too - for the CU to be applied to them as well. They'll also ask for a second referendum.

There's plenty of valid ground for Corbyn to oppose it if he's smart.

Isnt Ireland united in all but name anyrate? Like, on a day to day basis? Its more like a mini USA with mayors in different states deciding the age you can drink, but not much else.

And if the SNP see this as a route to another referendum for them, surely they would back it?

 

[Tubey]

Isnt Ireland united in all but name anyrate? Like, on a day to day basis? Its more like a mini USA with mayors in different states deciding the age you can drink, but not much else.

And if the SNP see this as a route to another referendum for them, surely they would back it?

That's the whole point of this impasse mate - that Brexit rips apart Northern Ireland and EIRE and puts up a border between the two which the EU had made unnecessary, thus keeping unionists and nationalists relatively appeased. They are a united Ireland but not in terms of being a sovereign state - more in terms of how it works in practice due to the EU open borders. They still retain their separate nationhoods.

The SNP would seize* the opportunity if given it, but politically they have to be seen as doing everything possible to retain EU membership. That way they can fight and win a referendum based on the lies of the UK government in the first one - that they'd stay a EU member by staying in the UK. They're playing the long game.

 

[roydo]

That's the whole point of this impasse mate - that Brexit rips apart Northern Ireland and EIRE and puts up a border between the two which the EU had made unnecessary, thus keeping unionists and nationalists relatively appeased. They are a united Ireland but not in terms of being a sovereign state - more in terms of how it works in practice due to the EU open borders. They still retain their separate nationhoods.

The SNP would cease the opportunity if given it, but politically they have to be seen as doing everything possible to retain EU membership. That way they can fight and win a referendum based on the lies of the UK government in the first one - that they'd stay a EU member by staying in the UK. They're playing the long game.

Aye, all plausible.

As is Johnson perhaps thinking he has no chance of the HOC backing him, and bingo, back to square one/no deal. Benn Act notwithstanding.

 

[Joey66]

Brown I'd have thought.

Had an accident on the toilet Bruce