Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Well, it could be a matter of bad timing with that piece if there's any truth in the Varadkar/Johnson talks progressing well today.

many a slip twixt the cup and the lip......

 

[davek]

Big Arlene and her gang of bigots will be fewmin', so they will. The wee pravince sold down the river, so it is.

 

[dead_soft]

Never voted Tory in my life I was going to opt out of the GE if Brexit was carried out you keep convincing me to vote Tory......

I thought you said you’d vote Farage’s lot?

 

[davek]

The Tories have blinked.

Cant wait to see Farage's response. He must have a semi on atm.

 

[peteblue]

Big Arlene and her gang of bigots will be fewmin', so they will. The wee pravince sold down the river, so it is.

I think they would prefer any deal at the moment rather than have Corbyn selling them down the river and over the waterfall.....

 

[davek]

I think they would prefer any deal at the moment rather than have Corbyn selling them down the river and over the waterfall.....

Well, it'll be a major event in NI politics that'll reshape the scene there.

Then again, if Johnson has got them to swallow a customs union then it must have some huge caveats in it.

We'll find out soon.

 

[peteblue]

If Boris does get a deal it will be interesting to see what Corbyn does and more importantly what some of his own MP’s do.....

 

[peteblue]

Well, it'll be a major event in NI politics that'll reshape the scene there.

Then again, if Johnson has got them to swallow a customs union then it must have some huge caveats in it.

We'll find out soon.

indeed we will....

 

[davek]

If Boris does get a deal it will be interesting to see what Corbyn does and more importantly what some of his own MP’s do.....

...the Leave lot might be tempted, but will this fly with the ERG loonies or DUP?

 

[davek]

I'm hoping this will go down in history as "The Thornton Manor Sell Out" for the Unionists.

 

[Tubey]

...the Leave lot might be tempted, but will this fly with the ERG loonies or DUP?

If it's an all Ireland customs union with a border in the Irish Sea, I'd love to see how the DUP squirm their way out of that one.

They'd have to take the U out of their name for starters.

 

[davek]

If it's an all Ireland customs union with a border in the Irish Sea, I'd love to see how the DUP squirm their way out of that one.

They'd have to take the U out of their name for starters.

No doubt they'll have been sold it (if they have) with some sort of veto on the duration of it.

Still a massive shift for them though.

 

[peteblue]

...the Leave lot might be tempted, but will this fly with the ERG loonies or DUP?

If it’s at all sensible and doesn’t give the EU an effective veto over NI thus trapping them for ever, I think the ERG will go with it. So will most of the 21 ex Tories and a few Labour MP’s. If Boris has got the DUP on side then he will have the numbers.....

 

[Tubey]

No doubt they'll have been sold it (if they have) with some sort of veto on the duration of it.

Still a massive shift for them though.

Quite literally. They already only accepted the most recent Johnson *ahem* "deal" with an outright monetary bribe.

But what it'd take for them to ignore their sole reason for existing to back Brexit is a mystery to me at this point.

I'm going to assume it is what I say - an all-Ireland CU with a border in the Irish Sea - but something which the DUP will try to politically spin as not that to save face.

The fact Johnson turfed out his own MPs the other month means the DUP hold no power anymore and they know it, as parliamentary numbers are against them no matter what. So they'll just try and milk what they can from the situation financially.

So we're left with two questions - firstly, how will the DUP/ERG justify a soft Brexit and secondly, whether enough Labour MPs will go against a three line whip to vote for it, because Corbyn has absolutely no choice but to veto any deal at this point, even if he is a closet Brexiteer.

 

[peteblue]

Quite literally. They already only accepted the most recent Johnson *ahem* "deal" with an outright monetary bribe.

But what it'd take for them to ignore their sole reason for existing to back Brexit is a mystery to me at this point.

I'm going to assume it is what I say - an all-Ireland CU with a border in the Irish Sea - but something which the DUP will try to politically spin as not that to save face.

The fact Johnson turfed out his own MPs the other month means the DUP hold no power anymore and they know it, as parliamentary numbers are against them no matter what. So they'll just try and milk what they can from the situation financially.

So we're left with two questions - firstly, how will the DUP/ERG justify a soft Brexit and secondly, whether enough Labour MPs will go against a three line whip to vote for it, because Corbyn has absolutely no choice but to veto any deal at this point, even if he is a closet Brexiteer.

The much recently quoted ‘blame game’ will actually take place within the Labour Party if Boris gets this over the line.....