Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Tubey]

Cox best quotes......

1) "The time is coming when even these turkeys won’t be able to prevent Christmas."

2) "I offer this to the frontbench of the Labour Party, all we need is a one-line bill that we can put through with the Speakers help fixing the date of the general election by a simple majority and we can have an election. This spineless gang on the frontbench have not got the guts to put that motion into providence because most of them do not want their leader in power."

3) "They could agree to a motion to allow this House to dissolve, but they are too cowardly. This Parliament should have the courage to face the electorate, but it won’t. It won’t because so many of them are really about preventing us leaving the European Union."

4) "Denying the electorate the chance of having its say this Parliament is a dead Parliament. It has no moral right to sit on these green benches."

5) "Given the opportunity, since I am asked, let me tell them the truth, they could vote no confidence at any time, but they are too cowardly."

6) "Twice they have been asked to let the electorate decide whether they should sit in their seats while they block 17.4 million votes, this Parliament is a disgrace."

Hahahaha.....

You seem to think what he said would play well to the country.

It er... won't.

This is the impression instead.



The man has just done his job so badly that he created the biggest legal embarrassment a PM has ever had. There was not one ounce of humility from him.

 

[orly]

Looks like Johnson and Cummings latest terrible plan is to send a second letter after asking for an extension begging the EU NOT to give us an extension, could he be the first ever PM to be unlawful and dragged through the supreme court twice?

Not actually possible, btw.

 

[neil999]

Honestly i'd prefer corbyn in for a bit with a majority government, he'd prob make some terrible mistakes...but these smug, self entitled weirdos need chucking

 

[davek]

If Boris has to have an extension, every man and woman in this country will know he did his very best to achieve the Oct 31st date. His standing will only rise further and Corbyn and Co’s drop further......

Nope. He said he'd rather die in a ditch than agree to extend. Well, he'll have that opportunity to demonstrate what principles he has...or be seen as another politician that makes promises then breaks them.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Gove just taking Starmer to pieces now.....

I'm not watching it, but based upon the respective competence of both men, I suspect this is/has not happened.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Cox best quotes......

1) "The time is coming when even these turkeys won’t be able to prevent Christmas."

2) "I offer this to the frontbench of the Labour Party, all we need is a one-line bill that we can put through with the Speakers help fixing the date of the general election by a simple majority and we can have an election. This spineless gang on the frontbench have not got the guts to put that motion into providence because most of them do not want their leader in power."

3) "They could agree to a motion to allow this House to dissolve, but they are too cowardly. This Parliament should have the courage to face the electorate, but it won’t. It won’t because so many of them are really about preventing us leaving the European Union."

4) "Denying the electorate the chance of having its say this Parliament is a dead Parliament. It has no moral right to sit on these green benches."

5) "Given the opportunity, since I am asked, let me tell them the truth, they could vote no confidence at any time, but they are too cowardly."

6) "Twice they have been asked to let the electorate decide whether they should sit in their seats while they block 17.4 million votes, this Parliament is a disgrace."

Hahahaha.....

Odd given the advice he gave to prorogue it.

Incidentally my favourite Geoffrey Cox quote is
“What’s a little buttock fondling after all? It was all such a long time ago”.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Honestly i'd prefer corbyn in for a bit with a majority government, he'd prob make some terrible mistakes...but these smug, self entitled weirdos need chucking

Be careful for what you wish for.
Be very careful indeed...

 

[neil999]

Be careful for what you wish for.
Be very careful indeed...

They can be voted out in 5 years, also it takes a long time to change things

eu with no deal would be alot worse

 

[davek]

You know it’s amazing how quickly the Tory outriders on here can agree with whatever it is the Government is doing even though actual Tories are increasingly viewing it with alarm.

I mean you’d almost be forgiven for thinking that Johnson hadn’t won a vote at all in the Commons yet, was on the end of the defining legal shreddings of our times (handed out by nine or ten members of the bloody Garrick Club), is being cheered on by the worlds most senile orange and his strategy appears to be to portray a cabinet filled by Eton and Oxbridge alumni, funded by the City and supported by the vast majority of Fleet Street as being not the establishment.

“It’s ok, he knows what he is doing” cry the usual suspects. “It’s brilliant!”

What I find sinister is that those people on this forum are being towed behind this Tory sect in viewing democracy as a problem that needs to be sidelined. The next step is allowing the barbarians through the gates in the form of the many neo-fascist groups that have latched on to Brexit and who the Tory extreme right are utilising on the streets.

I kid you not when I say this: we are VERY close to a situation when we see paramilitary gangs on thre streets of Britain. Anyone who knows a thing about history knows that many of these gangs are disaffected ex-military. Next time one of the Gammon demonstrations take place, just take a look at how many ex-servicemen groups there are. It's teetering on the brink here, and tools like Johnson and his Attorney General and Gove are dragging us all to the abyss.

 

[tsubaki]

What I find sinister is that those people on this forum are being towed behind this Tory sect in viewing democracy as a problem that needs to be sidelined. The next step is allowing the barbarians through the gates in the form of the many neo-fascist groups that have latched on to Brexit and who the Tory extreme right are utilising on the streets.

I kid you not when I say this: we are VERY close to a situation when we see paramilitary gangs on thre streets of Britain. Anyone who knows a thing about history knows that many of these gangs are disaffected ex-military. Next time one of the Gammon demonstrations take place, just take a look at how many ex-servicemen groups there are. It's teetering on the brink here, and tools like Johnson and his Attorney General and Gove are dragging us all to the abyss.

Indeed, and of course you only have to delve slightly into the arguments and sources of many of them to find that extreme right wing material.

One thing that does do my head in though is why so many ex-military view the Tories with any kind of respect at all. They did after all boot thousands of them out, in some cases weeks before they were due to get the full pension they had earned and were on deployment overseas (in at least one case, in Afghanistan), and they are directly responsible for the sell off of military housing which both lined their mates pockets and saddled every military family who has ever been in one with a very real likelihood that someone will try to scam them when they leave the accommodation.

It isn’t even as if they’ve recruited loads or bumped their wages up by any real amount either.

 

[davek]

Indeed, and of course you only have to delve slightly into the arguments and sources of many of them to find that extreme right wing material.

One thing that does do my head in though is why so many ex-military view the Tories with any kind of respect at all. They did after all boot thousands of them out, in some cases weeks before they were due to get the full pension they had earned and were on deployment overseas (in at least one case, in Afghanistan), and they are directly responsible for the sell off of military housing which both lined their mates pockets and saddled every military family who has ever been in one with a very real likelihood that someone will try to scam them when they leave the accommodation.

It isn’t even as if they’ve recruited loads or bumped their wages up by any real amount either.

Because they understand that this Labour Party is an anti-military interventionist party, and that makes the Tories - even a defence budget axe-weilding Tory Party a more attractive proposition.

 

[dublinbluenose]

I see Pete has been on the sauce early.

 

[catcherintherye]

You underestimate the man and his appeal to the voters. Yes she promised Oct31st, and is trying everything he can to make it happen. If he hadn’t have tried then the Conservatives would have been toast, but he has, and we are all seeing it.

Meanwhile the fencesitter and GE denier looks increasingly more feeble by the day. The LibDems have already shot themselves in the foot, but the SNP tbf are being consistent.....

I agree with a lot of that Pete, but if he cannot secure a deal he an exit come October 31st he's done. You have to imagine most people aren't as rational and engaged in the process as you, and are far more binary. He staked his tory leadership election campaign on managing to do the impossible and get us out, having spent 2 years criticising May. His credibility will be shot if he has to ask for an extension (I don't believe he will, I think he will resign and allow other to form a government before doing so).

Farage is circling. He didn't mince his words when condemning the Prime Minister. He has a unique ability to speak to former and current Conservative voters, and pitch a message that resonates to them more than their own leaders do (see Cameron and May). Richard Tice has been openly saying we won't be leaving on October 31st and pitching it as a betrayal. He will go the same way the Conservatives went in April if that were to happen, and I am not sure there will be any short term reprieve that they have got under Johnson in sight.

In his defence, I think (and have thought for some time) a deal is a greater possibility than most give credit for. It's not the sexy glamorous story, lets face it. There's a section of the media/ruling class that want No Deal and then a majority section that frankly would like a revoke or at worst a 2nd vote.The deal option is not preferred. The sensible sections within the Conservatives will recognise the above (I'm not sure if Johnson and Cummins do) but at some point Johnson must reflect Cummins is a bit of a maniac and take advice in other directions.

To me Labour have played a dangerous game, in narrowing the criticisms down to No Deal. If he can get a Deal, then he can come across as a slightly heroic figure, even in their eyes, as the man who not only got us out, but clawed a deal against all the odds and averted a no deal Brexit. In spite of the hype, I maintain most people are somewhere in the middle of the Brexit crisis and just want a sensible deal and to move on. In many ways they are the ignored majority in all of this.

The renegotiating around the Irish Sea makes a lot of sense too. Thats the route I'd have gone down and hope Ireland give a little bit back about some aspects of the border in Ireland. Make it seem compromise and talk about some technical solution to the problems moving forward. Frankly problems down the line won't cloud his judgement too much, he has to get through the next 4 weeks first.

 

[tsubaki]

BBC World having “a lawyer” from a group called “Lawyers for Britain” offer an opinion on the court case being lost. She is one Victoria Henson, whose day job is working for the Tory think tank IEA.

Surprise surprise she agreed with whatever the Government position is.

 

[Tubey]

Nope. He said he'd rather die in a ditch than agree to extend. Well, he'll have that opportunity to demonstrate what principles he has...or be seen as another politician that makes promises then breaks them.

Not sure that's true. It's not about his principles, as he never had the capability of doing what he said - it's about his competency. He didn't see that he'd never be allowed to leave with no deal on the 31st, which means he was incompetent. Uniquely incompetent really.