Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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JEBUS_LIVES said:
I think largely, as has started to come to light, people were completely unaware of the role and function of the EU. Politicians and media alike.

If those groups don't communicate effectively, and didn't fully understand the implications, how do the expect the average Northern voter to make an informed decision.
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So Northern voters don’t understand, but I expect that Southern voters do, is that it.....
 
dwightschrute said:
Wouldn't this hypothetical scenario technically be a win for Lib Dems? Grind it down until its a deal vs remain option with the deal having no chance of passing parliament = remain in the EU
As opposed to going straight for the revoke article 50 approach which has less than practically zero chance of happening
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To be honest, at this stage I'd rather we had a semblance of common sense and competence whichever rosette they happened to be wearing.
 
edge said:
some people will think that way Davek, but if they feel like the have no place at the table who can blame them for overturning it the first chance they have , poverty cap has grown, steady jobs rare as hens teeth, minimum wage Housing ect I know your an intelligent guy so don't have to go on.
on what scale can you tell them the EU has been good for them(I know the EU isn't directly to blame for all of that) if there is a case why wasn't it made, that's not there fault i9f it wasn't put across or believed.
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The EU wasn't good for them and neither was globalisation. But the solution to the problems caused to people from the EU and globalised institutions are offered by extremist demagogues, and those solutions include such stuff as bi-lateral trade deals with more powerful nations/blocs who they will willingly crack open labour markets and service/manufacturing/business sectors for, and it'll mean further deregulation of all our lives and the dangers that we already know flow from deregulation of the last 2-3 decades...this time will turbo-charged though. It's also stuff concerning security too though. The likes of Johnson aren't concerned with the integration of intelligence data. He's a danger to us all.

The best way forward for Britain (and the people who backed Leave the EU) would have been to have got a deal with the EU that protects the right of British Governments to set its levels of investment and a free hand to re-regulate the economy - including nationalisation - and protects the rights of labour and the environment...in other words, what Labour were arguing for. As you know, I support the referendum outcome and think we have to leave. A result is a result and has to be honoured. But there are many people who backed Leave who have bizarre views of what's on offer in any deal put together by the Tories or a no deal. In fact, some couldn't give a flying one what's on offer because they are consumed by a form of jingoism we haven't seen in this country since the late-19th century. In all my life I've never heard and seen so many people talking about 'my country' and waving flags. It's genuinely shocking that we've descended into some rabid nationalist frenzy. Shocking and embarrassing.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
I didn't mean Labour were inconsistent, I meant that Thornberry's personal stance was inconsistent with Labour's strategy, but that's not, in this instance an inherently bad thing.
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But I think most Labour spokespeople are saying the same thing, just in different ways.

It is because they will not state the blindingly obvious fact that no negotiated deal to leave can possibly be an improvement on staying in that this inconsistency keeps manifesting itself and leaves the party open to ridicule.

I also think that the biggest inconsistency with the Labour position is that the leader actually wants to leave but the vast majority of party activists and members want to Remain.

If Corbyn and the PLP had been singing from the same Remain hymn sheet from the getgo Labour’s position would be much stronger in the opinion polls.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
It's pretty odd. Given the reaction to May's withdrawal bill in parliament, can you really see a Labour withdrawal bill passing when they're pledging not to even back it in any upcoming confirmatory referendum? I'd say the chances of that are practically zero.
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There will never be a Labour withdrawal bill.....
 
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