Current Affairs EU In or Out

[davek]

This is what you’re up against.

I don’t give a toss about “17.4 million people etc., etc,”.......if this fruitcake is a typical example of the type of fanatic that makes up that “17.4 million” then I agree with Ms. Jo Swinson.

Just Revoke the darned thing.





Someone needs to save that bugger from himself.

Feller needs insulin to live but doesn't mind if Leave means he doesn't get it and dies.

I said the other day that this Brexit farrago has acted like a magnet for thousands of brutalised and/or mentally damaged people. There goes one example right there.

 

[Rob17896]

I did once say that I admired the mods on here.......

Gotcha!

 

[Aberblue]

Feller needs insulin to live but doesn't mind if Leave means he doesn't get it and dies.

I said the other day that this Brexit farrago has acted like a magnet for thousands of brutalised and/or mentally damaged people. There goes one example right there.

I certainly don't think all Leave voters are racists/morons, but there are some pretty odd ones I've spoken to. One said that leaving the EU should have been a simple matter - this after we'd been members for 45 years! Another said that she was "fed up of being ordered to do things by Brussels"; I asked her what Brussels had forced her to do or had stopped her from doing, and she couldn't name anything. Another man said he voted for Brexit "because we stood alone in 1941" which of course we didn't.

 

[davek]

I certainly don't think all Leave voters are racists/morons, but there are some pretty odd ones I've spoken to. One said that leaving the EU should have been a simple matter - this after we'd been members for 45 years! Another said that she was "fed up of being ordered to do things by Brussels"; I asked her what Brussels had forced her to do or had stopped her from doing, and she couldn't name anything. Another man said he voted for Brexit "because we stood alone in 1941" which of course we didn't.

Paul McCartney said this about the referendum today in interview:

"What put me off was that I was meeting a lot of older people, kind of pretty much my generation. And they were going, 'All right Paul - it's going to be like it was in the old days, we're going to go back.' And I was like, 'Yeah? Oh, I'm not sure about that.' And that attitude was very prevalent."

I think he's spot on. Many people wanted to turn the clocks back to what they saw as more simpler (and, it has to be said, whiter) times.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Well it did take 23 years. Poor show Major.

His quote about Johnson(government) was comedy gold:

"As someone who escaped the lurid treadmill of life in a circus family I have always had the most disagreeable fear that one day the exploding clown car would come back to haunt me“.

 

[edge]

Paul McCartney said this about the referendum today in interview:

"What put me off was that I was meeting a lot of older people, kind of pretty much my generation. And they were going, 'All right Paul - it's going to be like it was in the old days, we're going to go back.' And I was like, 'Yeah? Oh, I'm not sure about that.' And that attitude was very prevalent."

I think he's spot on. Many people wanted to turn the clocks back to what they saw as more simpler (and, it has to be said, whiter) times.

not sure Paul McCartney really comes into contact with a lot of people from northern working class on a daily basis
or has the slightest clue about the reality of there daily lives, so wouldn't really use him as a .parameter off the average leave voter or there views.
nearest he has more than likely come to that is getting a bus along Park road decades ago and keeping his head down encase some nasty fella from the Dingle pulled his hair or something.

 

[Jebus_lives]

not sure Paul McCartney really comes into contact with a lot of people from northern working class on a daily basis
or has the slightest clue about the reality of there daily lives, so wouldn't really use him as a .parameter off the average leave voter or there views.
nearest he has more than likely come to that is getting a bus along Park road decades ago and keeping his head down encase some nasty fella from the Dingle pulled his hair or something.

He didn't suggest he was. In the quoted paragraph, he talks about his own opinion and reasoning, not the 'will of the people'.

I'm curious as to who you think qualifies as credible to talk on behalf of 'Northern working class voters'? Because many within that bracket seem to think that it's Rees-Mogg, Mark Francois, Farage or Yaxley-Lennon, when it most certainly is not.

 

[edge]

He didn't suggest he was. In the quoted paragraph, he talks about his own opinion and reasoning, not the 'will of the people'.

I'm curious as to who you think qualifies as credible to talk on behalf of 'Northern working class voters'? Because many within that bracket seem to think that it's Rees-Mogg, Mark Francois, Farage or Yaxley-Lennon, when it most certainly is not.

none of those are working class or northern accept him and he was middle class even when he was here, certainly not when working class in those rough times he talks about in the seventies when those pesky unions left the rubbish pile up and the dead unburied, that he talks about.
who does talk for the northern working class ?
well outside of the likes of the RMT who wanted out not many do these days unless it suits there short term purpose.
That was one of the problems in all this they felt that there lives and wishes were just being ignored, first chance they had to rock the boat they took it, look how that's turned out, they if parliament get its way just get ignored again.
What are the parties offering them if we stay more of the same, just shut up, get back in your box, keep quite we know better.
where are the policies on offer to deal with there concerns' I haven't seen anything much out there?

 

[Rob17896]

I certainly don't think all Leave voters are racists/morons, but there are some pretty odd ones I've spoken to. One said that leaving the EU should have been a simple matter - this after we'd been members for 45 years! Another said that she was "fed up of being ordered to do things by Brussels"; I asked her what Brussels had forced her to do or had stopped her from doing, and she couldn't name anything. Another man said he voted for Brexit "because we stood alone in 1941" which of course we didn't.

I know...we did not liberate them to take orders...despair

 

[Methuselah]

Mind you I never liked Major anyway. I always felt he was a backstabbing grey man......

Major was the worst Tory PM since the war. I couldn't believe he got in in 1992, I voted Labour at that election. You would have thought that someone with such a poor track record would keep a low profile in his retirement. Just shows how arrogant these people are.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

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Thornberry comparing the LibDems to the Taliban. We've jumped the shark now.

 

[spectateur]

Major was the worst Tory PM since the war. I couldn't believe he got in in 1992, I voted Labour at that election. You would have thought that someone with such a poor track record would keep a low profile in his retirement. Just shows how arrogant these people are.

Major was restricted by the old duo of Bill Cash and the Europhobes plus Paisley and the NI bigots. His majority depended on keeping them sweet. He really didn't have a free hand.

 

[Jebus_lives]

none of those are working class or northern accept him and he was middle class even when he was here, certainly not when working class in those rough times he talks about in the seventies when those pesky unions left the rubbish pile up and the dead unburied, that he talks about.
who does talk for the northern working class ?
well outside of the likes of the RMT who wanted out not many do these days unless it suits there short term purpose.
That was one of the problems in all this they felt that there lives and wishes were just being ignored, first chance they had to rock the boat they took it, look how that's turned out, they if parliament get its way just get ignored again.
What are the parties offering them if we stay more of the same, just shut up, get back in your box, keep quite we know better.
where are the policies on offer to deal with there concerns' I haven't seen anything much out there?

Nail on the head.

 

[davek]

not sure Paul McCartney really comes into contact with a lot of people from northern working class on a daily basis
or has the slightest clue about the reality of there daily lives, so wouldn't really use him as a .parameter off the average leave voter or there views.
nearest he has more than likely come to that is getting a bus along Park road decades ago and keeping his head down encase some nasty fella from the Dingle pulled his hair or something.

He implied it was conversations he had down south, and didn't mention class.

Most who felt pulled toward Leave equated the EU with immigration and the dwindling of national sovereignty - which are isolationist in essence, and, in a globalised world, a hankering for the past. McCartney (amongst others) are spot on in that at least. It was a back to the future impulse, and it's got us all into a mess.

 

[edge]

He implied it was conversations he had down south, and didn't mention class.

Most who felt pulled toward Leave equated the EU with immigration and the dwindling of national sovereignty - which are isolationist in essence, and, in a globalised world, a hankering for the past. McCartney (amongst others) are spot on in that at least. It was a back to the future impulse, and it's got us all into a mess.

he didn't even vote, and was harping on about bins and unburied dead ( those bloody unions) which rattled my cage , if you want to take notice of him fine to me he offers nothing better than the fella in the local paper shop in my opinion , sick of celebrity people telling me what they presume others think or know.
Why are leave voters only looking to the past , surely a future free from the EU is looking forward different, not backward to something they have lived through the last 40 or so years, and for whatever reason they want to change, maybe they haven't seen any benefits of the globalisation you speak off, that might be the root of the problem?