how to win an argument and influence people , shout , wave your arms around and get aggressive , sounds a good plan?
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how to win an argument and influence people , shout , wave your arms around and get aggressive , sounds a good plan?
davek
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There's a lot of damaged people who've latched on to the Brexit issue...on both sides.
Old Blue 2
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I believe they're called politicians...
davek
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...but just generally in the population. The unhinged right wingers are predictably at the fore of this 'debate' - people with politics like that are broken psychologically speaking, Brexit is the vehicle they've momentarily taken up to voice they're dislocation with the world. But on the other side: I mean, who could get that wound up over the EU? The same organisation that hammered the Greeks into the ground when Grexit was threatened. You have to be a sandwich or two short of a picnic to be that intent on defending the EU like they do. The one's with the EU flags - FFS. Unreal.
Most of the courts stream their activity, if you're interested, you can watch them via the individual court websites.
All whilst Corbyn continues to sit on the fence
Jeremy Corbyn: I’ll stay neutral and let the people decide on Brexit
Labour leader’s call for ‘sensible’ deal is signal to party that he will resist call to pick sides
Disgruntledgoat
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All whilst Corbyn continues to sit on the fence
Jeremy Corbyn: I’ll stay neutral and let the people decide on Brexit
Labour leader’s call for ‘sensible’ deal is signal to party that he will resist call to pick sideswww.theguardian.com
Corbyn is caught in the reverse position of every Tory prime minister since Thatcher... He wants to leave the EU as do his traditional vote but his members and the majority of his voters want to stay. He needs to appease two completely irreconcilable positions to ever have a prayer of being PM. Instead he's choosing to please neither.
He’s pleasing neither but he’s not particularly ostracising any voters. It’s a fairly low risk position to take I think.
Disgruntledgoat
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Further ostracising I think you mean. As, by any measure, his mere presence is enough to ostracise large swathes of the electorate.
It's a nothing position. He's maintaining this fantasy that a great 'cake and eat it' deal is possible if only you have the right negotiators, which is clearly bonkers and has already alienated the EU, while also alienating the remain supporting wing of his party by furthering the accusation that he really doesn't want to remain anyway. It's a shambles.
There's a reason Johnson is still holding firm in the polls, and it's because of the weakness of Corbyn.
Disgruntledgoat
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His weakness is rather underlined by the fact that his office has been completely unable to prevent MPs and even shadow cabinet members making up Brexit policy during interviews... Because labour doesn't have a Brexit policy.
orchard
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No, the Labour party are not.
So he didn't write in the Guardian today that they're going to negotiate a new deal with the EU that will have all sorts of lovely things in it?
davek
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The LibDem position now - in one fell swoop - makes Corbyn's decision to offer a choice of staying or leaving look like a masterstroke.
All whilst Corbyn continues to sit on the fence
Jeremy Corbyn: I’ll stay neutral and let the people decide on Brexit
Labour leader’s call for ‘sensible’ deal is signal to party that he will resist call to pick sides
orchard
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With no divergence from standards a lot of obstacles are removed. I think you'll find eu representatives confirmed this approach last year.
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