Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Socrates]

I said it before the vote, I've said it many times, this is a robbery.
The biggest most audacious robbery in the history of the country.

Part 2 is when the pound is at it's lowest and the share prices of our top companies have tumbled in price, it makes them ripe for takeovers from...hmmm.. let's have a guess...the corporations of the good old US of A, of course.
It's no co-incidence why Farage gets the red carpet when he's over there.

Is it a conspiracy? Or is it just a small group of sociopaths working in concert to a common aim?
Each with their own motives?

Who's to say the owners of the media aren't "investors" in those schemes for example?

Whatever it is, they have relied on jingoism, lies and corruption to convince enough people to help them get away with it.

 

[urquattro]

Deluded is the word I would describe of the arguments for and against on both sides. Continually arguing their corner when in reality whichever way you support, the bigger picture is, we as a collective are being taken as mugs. Stand back and reflect on whether the Government of whichever persuasion has actually done anything to help UK PLC and it's people or whether those Governments have been implicit making your life harder while certain folks get richer and all in the name of blaming the EU for their reasons. Again to me its Westminster or the EU but not both.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Firstly, can I respectfully ask that you don't mention me in this thread again. Because of posts like this I have no desire to come in here any more and had put the thread creator on ignore (sorry @micknick, nothing personal) specifically to stop me coming in here.

But seeing as you have made the effort to single me out, I'll give you the courtesy of a response.

I don't know why you think I believed a no deal Brexit is all scare mongering and project fear. I have always spoken out against no deal and have frequently acknowledged the negative impact it could have on the country, both economically and logistically. I may have mocked the odd post where ridiculous claims have been made. Such as the one where all our aircraft would be grounded because they wouldn't be allowed to fly in European airspace. And I may also have put people straight who believed our financial sector would fall apart in the event of no deal. But overall I have generally condemned no deal for the crisis it will be.

I have read the report and there is nothing in there I didn't expect to see. I could point out that they do stress this is a worst case scenario and the chances are the reality will not prove to be as bad as this, or that the Govt will undoubtedly be taking many steps to mitigate the effects of the most serious matters such as medication supplies etc. But I guess they're not things you would wish to hear so will just dismiss them anyway. Another reason why I'm staying out of here.

1. It's not. It's a Base Case scenario that they've changed the title of.

2. Medical supplies have been stockpiled. It's common knowledge. Medicines are also being categorised as the UKs highest prioy. But there are drugs that aren't included in those stockpiling measures - such as some Anti-psychotic drugs and non prescription drugs that may be essential daily items. Further to this, drugs with specific temperature requirements, short life spans and radiology/chemical treatments that rely on door to door supply chains will be heavily affected by disruption.

3. I keep seeing on social media the question being asked 'why only 5 pages?'. I suspect the answer is that the government has deferred a lot of planning to Local Authority, Local Resilience Forums, local Health providers/commissioners asking that they ensure preparedness based upon key aspects like data, supply chain, workforce, clinical consumables etc and asking for assurance in respect of those arrangements. The difficulty is that the guidance either asks that nothing is done as the government is managing it or asks for mitigation that can't reasonably be achieved. So largely organisations are returning a rating of 'partial' preparedness as they don't know what interventions the government is making. But...whenever clarity is sought from government about specific issues, the answer is always 'we'll add it to the list or it's something we are considering' which does not engender confidence 1 month away from a potential No Deal.

 

[gonetomorrow]

What are they doing to us?
Surely they'll be working night and day to avoid these scenarios?

 

[The binman chronicles]

Unfortunately that’s just not true

Should imagine that is 'fortunately' in this case.

But couldn't it at least be partly true in a worst case scenario? Whilst no one says that there will be nothing to put on the table, could we not see a situation where retaliatory tariffs or blockades from haulage firms in protest of European hauliers having minimal interruption coming here, leads to shortages in certain food products being available on the shelves - If only for a short period.

Watch the brexiteers resolve melt when they find they're unable to buy X at the supermarket, their 'blitz spirit' would be over just like that.

 

[Khalekan]

I said it before the vote, I've said it many times, this is a robbery.
The biggest most audacious robbery in the history of the country.

Part 2 is when the pound is at it's lowest and the share prices of our top companies have tumbled in price, it makes them ripe for takeovers from...hmmm.. let's have a guess...the corporations of the good old US of A, of course.
It's no co-incidence why Farage gets the red carpet when he's over there.

Is it a conspiracy? Or is it just a small group of sociopaths working in concert to a common aim?
Each with their own motives?

Who's to say the owners of the media aren't "investors" in those schemes for example?

Whatever it is, they have relied on jingoism, lies and corruption to convince enough people to help them get away with it.

Have a listen to this fat bugger.

 

[nsno-chris]

Should imagine that is 'fortunately' in this case.

But couldn't it at least be partly true in a worst case scenario? Whilst no one says that there will be nothing to put on the table, could we not see a situation where retaliatory tariffs or blockades from haulage firms in protest of European hauliers having minimal interruption coming here, leads to shortages in certain food products being available on the shelves - If only for a short period.

Watch the brexiteers resolve melt when they find they're unable to buy X at the supermarket, their 'blitz spirit' would be over just like that.

It’s worst case scenario planning, all based at the short straits i.e. Dover. The country is not stopping any EU product, there’s no additional customs checks on EU goods so every other Port will allow community status products to flow freely to negate disruption.

ROW products will still be subject to controls as per current EU legislation. Coupled with that, France will not be imposing controls on U.K. goods despite what the report says. Calais doesn’t have the space to stop goods travelling the other way and as such as agreed, under the table of course, to allow free movement in a no deal scenario.

Dover is a massive issue, there’s no denying that due to the size vs the volume of traffic. But compared to the volume of goods which travel through Felixstowe, London Gateway, Southampton and Liverpool it’s minimal in comparison.

I obviously can’t comment on other areas because I’m solely working on agri-food

 

[The binman chronicles]

Have a listen to this fat bugger.

Nobody likes to wish ill on people but if he slipped off a cliff while walking his dogs, it would put a spring in my step that day.

 

[Brisan123]

I will remember this post when we leave with a deal.......

As of today Mays deal is the only deal on the table

 

[Joey66]

The report wasn't for the public, its what they honestly think will happen!

They predicted a bumpy road bit of an understatement,

As of today Mays deal is the only deal on the table

Which can be changed if we had negotiating power......

 

[Brisan123]

They predicted a bumpy road bit of an understatement,

Which can be changed if we had negotiating power......

If you had a competent negotiating team it could be changed , but you haven’t
The British parliament is agreed on one thing , what they don’t want , but they have no idea what they do want or can realistically achieve
The backstop is not going anywhere , so either accept it or accept no deal

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If you had a competent negotiating team it could be changed , but you haven’t
The British parliament is agreed on one thing , what they don’t want , but they have no idea what they do want or can realistically achieve
The backstop is not going anywhere , so either accept it or accept no deal

This notion that the outlandish promises made by Brexiters if only we had some god like negotiators is the bit I struggle with perhaps most of all. Pretty much every person and institution that studies these things says we have the best deal possible in our relations with the EU already, so it's like saying with a bit of will power and some untold genius, we can change the entire global economic system and show those Jerries what's what.

Indeed, as any reasonable negotiator will tell you, your position is only as strong as your BATNA, and our BATNA isn't very good at all. No negotiating hero can change that, which is why the crazy promises made by Brexiters have fallen flat time after time after time. Farage gets away with his rubbish because he is literally never in a position where he has to deliver on any of it. Every time Brexiter claims come into contact with reality they fall flat.

If you were of sound mind, that would be telling you something, but instead it's always brushed aside for the next 'hero' to solve for them. Bonkers.

 

[larrygobfiend]

Have a listen to this fat bugger.

This should be the massive, but nothing will come of it. Our media outlets are in on it.

We're no better than North Korea.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

Before all this started I was of the opinion that we should be governed by one or the other - Westminster or the EU and cut out which bit was the parasite. I always suspected that Parliament was full of charlatans and they were happy to blame the EU for their own ineptitude and forcefull policies on the UK, the last 3 years has shown that I was right in my thinking. What is also demonstrated is that we cannot leave the EU because we are so intertwined and dependent upon that trade relationship for our economy and livelihood to survive that this notion of Sovereignty and an independent UK is nothing short of waving a Union Jack on the Queens Birthday.

I thought at the time that this was the real choice we should be making - even the most ardent remainer agrees that the EU is an anachronistic, bureaucratic cancer run by comedians under no real scrutiny, so the correct choice is what you say - commit to one or the other. Either leave entirely or go all in supporting a more powerful EU that would have real leadership and engage the population. This is a complete political non-starter, of course, so instead we have the compromise position of staying in, crying about all of the manifest faults of the EU but lacking the clout (and credibility, now) to force any meaningful reforms.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

If Brexit is as dangerous to us, our children and grandchildren as some claim then you should all be advocating that David Cameron be jailed for even putting it on the table. All very well to get mad at Johnson and May and the rest of the blithering idiots in the Tory party but Cameron is the one responsible for all of this and hardly anyone seems to care.

He's an absolute disgrace who called the referendum for short term political gain to steal votes of UKIP and euro-sceptic Labour voters in the GE. He then ran a disgustingly negitive campaign (as was his habbit) based on fear mongering and smear campaigns rather then extolling the virtues of the EU, only to fall flat on his face. And rather then face the consequences of his actions by either invoking article 50 and seeing through the process of Brexit or even just being honest enough to say that the whole thing was a "mistake" and that he was going to ignore it? He slithers away like the filthy snake that he is and leaves everyone else to clean up his mess. Cowardly, shameless scumbag.