Current Affairs EU In or Out

[nsno-chris]

If Brexit is as dangerous to us, our children and grandchildren as some claim then you should all be advocating that David Cameron be jailed for even putting on the table. All very well to get mad at Johnson and May and the rest of the blithering idiots in the Tory party but Cameron is the one responsible for all of this and hardly anyone seems to care.

He's an absolute disgrace who called the referendum for short term political gain to steal votes of UKIP in the GE. He then ran a disgustingly negitive campaign (as was his habbit) based on fear mongering and smear campaigns rather then extolling the virtues of the EU, only to fall flat on his face. And rather then face the consequences of his actions by either invoke article 50 and seeing the process of Brexit through or being honest enough to say that the whole thing was a "mistake" and that he was just going to ignore it? he slithers away like the filthy snake that he is and leaves everyone else to clean up his mess. Cowardly, shameless scumbag.

That’s the issue, and really p’d a lot of people off.

I’ll always remember sitting in a meeting with government representatives and the question was asked, a couple of weeks before the referendum, “are we undertaking contingency planning. We all knew the web that we would need to unravel.

The answer we got: “under no circumstances will the British public vote to leave the EU and as such no planning shall be conducted”

Cameron wants stringing up, May was hamstrung by in party fighting and Johnson is just Johnson, a bumbling idiot who wants his way and will go gung-ho to get it.

I’ve gone past caring now, being on the outer ring of the inside it just needs to be resolved, one way or another. I’m NEA anymore, it’s crippling resources.

 

[Xizor]

Cowardly, shameless scumbag.

You're not wrong, but I don't think "Governing without due care or attention" is on the statute books unfortunately.

 

[larrygobfiend]

If Brexit is as dangerous to us, our children and grandchildren as some claim then you should all be advocating that David Cameron be jailed for even putting it on the table. All very well to get mad at Johnson and May and the rest of the blithering idiots in the Tory party but Cameron is the one responsible for all of this and hardly anyone seems to care.

He's an absolute disgrace who called the referendum for short term political gain to steal votes of UKIP and euro-sceptic Labour voters in the GE. He then ran a disgustingly negitive campaign (as was his habbit) based on fear mongering and smear campaigns rather then extolling the virtues of the EU, only to fall flat on his face. And rather then face the consequences of his actions by either invoking article 50 and seeing through the process of Brexit or even just being honest enough to say that the whole thing was a "mistake" and that he was going to ignore it? He slithers away like the filthy snake that he is and leaves everyone else to clean up his mess. Cowardly, shameless scumbag.

Nah mate. Rather than die of shame, the opportunist, pig bothering rat has released a book to coincide with everything that's happening.

Britain 2019 everybody!

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Firstly, can I respectfully ask that you don't mention me in this thread again. Because of posts like this I have no desire to come in here any more and had put the thread creator on ignore (sorry @micknick, nothing personal) specifically to stop me coming in here.

But seeing as you have made the effort to single me out, I'll give you the courtesy of a response.

I don't know why you think I believed a no deal Brexit is all scare mongering and project fear. I have always spoken out against no deal and have frequently acknowledged the negative impact it could have on the country, both economically and logistically. I may have mocked the odd post where ridiculous claims have been made. Such as the one where all our aircraft would be grounded because they wouldn't be allowed to fly in European airspace. And I may also have put people straight who believed our financial sector would fall apart in the event of no deal. But overall I have generally condemned no deal for the crisis it will be.

I have read the report and there is nothing in there I didn't expect to see. I could point out that they do stress this is a worst case scenario and the chances are the reality will not prove to be as bad as this, or that the Govt will undoubtedly be taking many steps to mitigate the effects of the most serious matters such as medication supplies etc. But I guess they're not things you would wish to hear so will just dismiss them anyway. Another reason why I'm staying out of here.

Hi Barney,

Sorry mate I meant to tag in Pete but somehow in the fog of war I tagged you in and for that I apologise.

You're deffo one of the more sensible, open-minded leave voters on here.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I thought at the time that this was the real choice we should be making - even the most ardent remainer agrees that the EU is an anachronistic, bureaucratic cancer run by comedians under no real scrutiny, so the correct choice is what you say - commit to one or the other. Either leave entirely or go all in supporting a more powerful EU that would have real leadership and engage the population. This is a complete political non-starter, of course, so instead we have the compromise position of staying in, crying about all of the manifest faults of the EU but lacking the clout (and credibility, now) to force any meaningful reforms.

I wouldn't ever refer to it as a cancer. I don't doubt that it can be bureaucratic, and it can be inefficient and infuriating, but equally I don't doubt that it's heart is generally in the right place and that the vast majority of people working there want to create a better and more unified Europe. You do raise the point that has been touched on a number of times however, and is aptly described by Dani Rodrik as the trilemma, whereby you can have two of national sovereignty, democracy or global economic integration but not all three.

That seems to be at the heart of the schism, as you suspect many of those at the lower income part of society would gladly do away with global economic integration if it meant less competition for their livelihoods. Indeed, that was largely at the heart of the opposition from the Labour movement as they were always opposed to globalisation as a concept. I think that would be a big mistake, but it's odd to see the Tories championing the cause of this, although you suspect they're doing so more to do away with democracy than the other two.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If Brexit is as dangerous to us, our children and grandchildren as some claim then you should all be advocating that David Cameron be jailed for even putting it on the table. All very well to get mad at Johnson and May and the rest of the blithering idiots in the Tory party but Cameron is the one responsible for all of this and hardly anyone seems to care.

He's an absolute disgrace who called the referendum for short term political gain to steal votes of UKIP and euro-sceptic Labour voters in the GE. He then ran a disgustingly negitive campaign (as was his habbit) based on fear mongering and smear campaigns rather then extolling the virtues of the EU, only to fall flat on his face. And rather then face the consequences of his actions by either invoking article 50 and seeing through the process of Brexit or even just being honest enough to say that the whole thing was a "mistake" and that he was going to ignore it? He slithers away like the filthy snake that he is and leaves everyone else to clean up his mess. Cowardly, shameless scumbag.

I understand the anger towards Cameron, and he should be ashamed of himself, but why do Brexit voters carry no responsibility for the votes and choice they made?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Nah mate. Rather than die of shame, the opportunist, pig bothering rat has released a book to coincide with everything that's happening.

Britain 2019 everybody!

I thought it was widely accepted that this was made up by Oakeshott and Ashcroft because Ashcroft wasn't parachuted into a cushy job in the government of the time?

 

[Jebus_lives]

I understand the anger towards Cameron, and he should be ashamed of himself, but why do Brexit voters carry no responsibility for the votes and choice they made?

Because it's always somebody else's fault.

 

[summerisle]

Jazz loving scum. lol

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I understand the anger towards Cameron, and he should be ashamed of himself, but why do Brexit voters carry no responsibility for the votes and choice they made?

How would you have us carry responsibility Bruce? I don't understand what you're asking for. We didn't call the referendum, we didn't fight the shocking remain campaign, we didn't screw up the negotiation process repeatedly. We didn't elect Johnson. Tell me how you think we should take responsibility?

If it's any consolation to you it's been open season to call leave voters every name under the sun and imply that we're all closet Nazis since the vote. Not only can you call us everything you want, you can do so and know that nobody will ever question you, unlike our MP's who need to have their delicate feelings protected.

 

[The binman chronicles]

If you were of sound mind, that would be telling you something, but instead it's always brushed aside for the next 'hero'

It was David Davis' fault as he had his hands tied by May despite his position being evident in these quotes that the mountain(s) would come to Muhammad instead of the other way around:

“Within minutes of a vote for Brexit the CEO’s of Mercedes, BMW, VW and Audi will be knocking down Chancellor Merkel’s door demanding that there be no barriers to German access to the British market.”

“That means immediately seeking Free Trade Agreements with the biggest prospective markets as fast as possible. There is no reason why many of these cannot be achieved within two years.”

Then it was Raab's fault as he was just a puppet of a remainer government. So now it is Barclay's crack at it and again not much seems to be happening despite having a few weeks grace where no deal was on the table and backed by chief brexiteer BoJo.

3 secretaries and 2 PM's but still the leavers believe it is a simple process.

 

[orchard]

 

[Kenshin]

So the yellowhammer report is how bad Brexit will be on this country .

If only the government spent the 2 years since declaring we were leaving actually preparing for this.

Seems to me the shock value isnt a shock value at all. It's the ineptitude of the governments to even prepare for this.

 

[jaycee]

He looks like a homeless Thundercat

 

[Hickson9]

So the yellowhammer report is how bad Brexit will be on this country .

If only the government spent the 2 years since declaring we were leaving actually preparing for this.

Seems to me the shock value isnt a shock value at all. It's the ineptitude of the governments to even prepare for this.

The civil service was actively told by the Tories to not prepare for this.