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A passage from Paul Mason's article today in the Guardian on thre mindset required for this mess to happen:

"I don’t want to encourage paranoia, but as a mental exercise ask yourself: if there was a single mind coordinating this crisis, what would it be thinking now?

First, that the fragility of the unwritten constitution is a proven fact. If parliament can be prorogued once, it can be prorogued again.

Second, that parts of the British media have no stomach for the task of actively defending the rule of law and the principle of accountability.

Third, that an atmosphere of weariness is descending on the mass of people. They were already weary of Brexit and are now getting weary of endless headlines about a constitutional crisis that never seems to end.

In the 1930s, the psychologist Erich Fromm noted that the ideal conditions for the rise of dictators and autocrats was a “state of inner tiredness and resignation”, which he attributed to the pace of life in stressed, industrialised societies.


Among the German working class, Fromm observed “a deep feeling of resignation, of disbelief in their leaders, of doubt about the value of any kind of political organization and political activity … deep within themselves many had given up any hope in the effectiveness of political action”.

I was reading Dominic Cummings blog over the weekend, as one does - probably closest thing to a single mind coordinating this crisis right now. He is clearly driven to change what you quote in the last sentence, the total disbelief and cynism in politics because nothing works (Whitehall institutionally and genetically incompetent), and our last four or five primeminsters have done essentially nothing serious in 25 years for the strategic direction of the UK (e.g. Cameron privately not wanting a majority because it would mean having to do something meaningful with policy).

The fact that Cummings is so influenced by science, mathematics and technology thinking to change this is extremely unusual - and hard to relate to what he is actually doing in his role right now, which just seems like alehouse political streetfighting.
[unusual in the sense that prob a lot of people have these sort of futurist blogs but most of them aren't special advisor to the leader of a major industrial nation].

 
The Brexit lies laid out, clear for all to see.

They've literally just changed the date and worded it a 'worse case scenario' rather than 'base case'.

It really is astonishing the levels that people will lie for the pursuit of Brexit.
 
I posted before I read it, its just common sense really.

Leave the EU, all hell will break loose.

I mean its not rocket surgery is it @Joey66
Your in for a disappointment that is May's original plan which the then chancellor Hammond never spent much- the news just now stated the new report done with Boris preparations is improved that document quite a bit ... it was published in the Times about two weeks ago improved, but still obviously bumpy times ahead..... if we left with no deal

I have never promoted let's just leave without a deal - but we obviously need a deal on the table which is totally different than having No deal as a bargaining chip to get a good deal .....
Boris wants a deal , and I have not heard him say that we are leaving without one. He just wanted they option on the table - remember the EU could have easily booted us out by now .... they obviously want a deal... as it is a big inconvenience, and 79 billion Euros down the plughole too.......
The infighting with our MPs has been nothing but a disgrace......
 
bumpy times ahead

I do love the Brexiters' fondness for understatement:
  • Shortages of fresh food
  • Unavailability of some medicines
  • Fuel shortages
  • Limited access to fresh water in some areas
  • Utility prices going up
  • Well, all prices going up really
  • Massively increased risk of disorder/crime etc
  • All imports/exports facing massive delays causing economic collapse
"Bumps in the road" on the way to a future that might just about almost as good as the present, but have fewer funny accents in it.
 
I do love the Brexiters' fondness for understatement:
  • Shortages of fresh food
  • Unavailability of some medicines
  • Fuel shortages
  • Limited access to fresh water in some areas
  • Utility prices going up
  • Well, all prices going up really
  • Massively increased risk of disorder/crime etc
  • All imports/exports facing massive delays causing economic collapse
"Bumps in the road" on the way to a future that might just about almost as good as the present, but have fewer funny accents in it.
Don't forget about some care homes having to close due to rising costs.
 
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