Current Affairs EU In or Out

[SNova]

Democracy is great until you get the wrong result, you right wing fascist!

 

[Joey66]

Pete, mate, calm own.

You denigrate 17 million UK voters, of whom you seem to have little knowledge, who took the no less hard course of voting remain.

if there was a second referendum, and it went the other way, I think there is a real likelihood of a breakdown of social order. On the other hand, I think the remain voters will ultimately take it on the chin, however plain stupid they may regard the underlying decision, and whatever the repetition of lies and piffle which led to it. We will lose Scotland, and the possibility of any future labour government. But we will not see cities burn. That is why I think remain supporters have to lump it.

If only I was as intelligent and streetwise as you, Pete, I might see it your way.

In fairness to Pete @ilikecheese is a master WUM he gave me my first ever NEG when that system was in he supports this forum a hell of a lot, I know he like to argue black is white etc, just debate a long with the banter, I have grew to like him, but I do not agree with him mostly, and he puts me on ignore, lol but I send him the odd like, it's only views of which every member can differ on!
I am sat here with chronic pain having my tablets, and off to bed, keep on posting
Cu all tomorrow

 

[Joey66]

EU referendum: youth turnout almost twice as high as first thought
About 64% of registered voters aged 18-24 went to polls, study reveals, but 90% of over-65s voted

The turnout among young people aged 18 to 24 in the EU referendum was almost double the level that has been widely reported since polling day, according to evidence compiled at the London School of Economics.

The new findings – based on detailed polling conducted since the referendum by Opinium, and analysed by Michael Bruter, professor of political science and European politics at the LSE, and his colleague, Dr Sarah Harrison – suggests the turnout was 64% among this age group.

It has been widely assumed since the referendum that the turnout among young people was around 36% – a figure that has allowed Brexit campaigners to say young people cannot claim that they were betrayed by older pro-Brexit voters, as almost two-thirds did not bother to vote.

Bruter and Harrison say the lower and wrong estimate was based on information released by Sky Data which relied on data compiled after last year’s general election, which looked at the proportion within each generation who said they always vote.

The new, far higher, figures emerged after Opinium conducted post-referendum polling among 2,002 people that asked four questions about how and whether they voted. They asked whether people voted at polling stations or by post, whether they were registered but did not vote, and whether they were not registered at all.

The results found that 64% of those young people who were registered did vote, rising to 65% among 25-to-39-year-olds and 66% among those aged between 40 and 54. It increased to 74% among the 55-to-64 age group and 90% for those aged 65 and over. It is thought that more than 70% of young voters chose to remain in the EU.

In a report, Bruter and Harrison say: “The question of whether young people voted or not is politically important for two critical reasons. First, because there continues to be a significant proportion of younger voters who say that they are unhappy with the result of the referendum and want to be heard, and one of the key arguments that has been made in answer to them is that they should have bothered to vote if they cared that much. And, second, because the government chose not to give the right to vote to 16- and 17-year-olds in the referendum. It is fair to ask whether allowing them to vote could have changed the result of the referendum or not.”

They say the assumption that a majority of young people who were registered did not bother to vote can be laid to rest. “While young people voted a little bit less than average, they were probably quite close to the national average (only 8% below according to our survey).”

Bruter added that if 16- and 17-year-olds had been allowed to vote, the result would almost certainly have been closer, reducing the ability of the Leave camp to claim a clear victory.

“Allowing 16-to-17-year-olds a vote would have added nearly 1.6 million potential citizens to the electorate, but it is of course extraordinarily difficult to know if it might have affected the outcome of the referendum. On balance, the results of our surveys on the turnout of 18-to-24-year-olds would suggest that it would not have been enough to overturn the result of the referendum … but it would have almost certainly reduced the advantage of Leave to such a point (likely less than 500,000 votes) that the very concept of a majority would have been highly controversial.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ce-as-high?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics

I thought it was a secret ballot with no exit poll more propaganda by the Remain losers!

 

[bring back the catt]

I thought it was a secret ballot with no exit poll more propaganda by the Remain losers!

It is a secret poll and NOBODY knows who voted and how they voted. This statistic is just another in a long line of statistics where the originator is able show their own preferences in the manner they wish them to be seen. But this one is COMPLETE guesswork and utter garbage and should not even be entered in any debate.

 

[Toffeelover]

It was an overreaction.... It just upsets me that the Leave voters have been depicted as idiots, racists and whatever, when this is plainly not true. The remainers have done themselves no favours by demanding another vote, decrying the economy, forecasting doom and despondency and generally whinging all over the place. The reality is things will go on much like before except that after a period we will no longer have to adopt the multitude of rubbish emanating from Brussels. We will get back out into the world and do what we are good at, trade........

Edit, remain was 16Million.......

Pete, let me be clear, I do not know where you live. I live in Burnley i,e. North. Did you knlow follooing the vote there were remaimers downsouth referring to folk up north who voted put as "Pondlife"

 

[Seanjd]

Because the younger generation are so on the ball and with it aren't they?! That's why they chose on mass to not even bother to vote the absolute clowns! Get over yourself, if you want to blame anyone it should be the 64% absolute cretins who either decided not to vote or were to stupid to actually know the vote was taking place.

These comments are beginning to look a bit daft after the research carried out by the London School of Economics.

 

[Joey66]

These comments are beginning to look a bit daft after the research carried out by the London School of Economics.

They did not know the vote was going to take place, where were they on the moon?
3 months of campaigning??? Before the actual vote, the time to regester online extended by 48 hours?unbelivable!

 

[1966efc]

These comments are beginning to look a bit daft after the research carried out by the London School of Economics.

Not soooo much. L S E states its research is based on those registered to vote. Of those who asserted the 'youth' vote was low, the percentage was based on the age cohort, registered to vote or not. (According to YouGov when I contacted them ... other pollsters are available).

Not that it matters a damn, of course.

 

[hullefc]

As a rule I'm quite sceptical of opinion polls (and that's all this is) that come out weeks after the result. They generally have political motivation behind them. The source? The London school of Economics? Because they've never played with figures before have they!

I am generally sceptical of opinion polls. That is why when people were having a go at young people for not voting I found it strange. And when they were using the 'only 32% of those aged 18-24, bothered to vote' to have a go. No one stopped them and said, 'wait a minute, how do you know only 32% voted?. I found it amusing now, that when the figure of '64% voted' is being suggested it is due to 'political motivation behind them'. As if the 'only 32% bothered to vote' wasn't 'politically motivated'. 100% of those under 25 in my household voted, so I may go with that figure.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

These comments are beginning to look a bit daft after the research carried out by the London School of Economics.

Having looked at the source it's Propaganda, glorified propaganda which is worthy of Goebbles. Does not warrant further thought.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I am generally sceptical of opinion polls. That is why when people were having a go at young people for not voting I found it strange. And when they were using the 'only 32% of those aged 18-24, bothered to vote' to have a go. No one stopped them and said, 'wait a minute, how do you know only 32% voted?. I found it amusing now, that when the figure of '64% voted' is being suggested it is due to 'political motivation behind them'. As if the 'only 32% bothered to vote' wasn't 'politically motivated'. 100% of those under 25 in my household voted, so I may go with that figure.

Well perhaps your right, we can't seriously estimate how people voted one way or the other so maybe it would be best to simply except the result like adults and for both sides stop playing with figures?

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I am generally sceptical of opinion polls. That is why when people were having a go at young people for not voting I found it strange. And when they were using the 'only 32% of those aged 18-24, bothered to vote' to have a go. No one stopped them and said, 'wait a minute, how do you know only 32% voted?. I found it amusing now, that when the figure of '64% voted' is being suggested it is due to 'political motivation behind them'. As if the 'only 32% bothered to vote' wasn't 'politically motivated'. 100% of those under 25 in my household voted, so I may go with that figure.

Most people who were 'having a go' at young people were generally doing so after taking a barrage of stick from loads of younger people aimed at the older generation. Both sides have been guilty of slinging mud.

 

[peteblue]

Pete, let me be clear, I do not know where you live. I live in Burnley i,e. North. Did you knlow follooing the vote there were remaimers downsouth referring to folk up north who voted put as "Pondlife"

I now live in the midlands and most people were for Leave. The folk I know tend to be either farmers, businessmen and women, self employed types. These people are not fools but like workers around the country tend to be the backbone of our economy. Many people travel daily to work in London, but like myself none of them would actually want to live there with the sneering elite.......

 

[Seanjd]

Having looked at the source it's Propaganda, glorified propaganda which is worthy of Goebbles. Does not warrant further thought.

Goebbles worthy propaganda? The London School of Economics saying the turnout of young people was higher than first thought? Just step into reality for a second.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Goebbles worthy propaganda? The London School of Economics saying the turnout of young people was higher than first thought? Just step into reality for a second.

Because they've never been economic with the truth before have they?! (Admittedly poor pun intended). It is propaganda because they're making unprovable claim's to suit their agenda. If you choose to see it differently then that's up to you. At this stage I think it would be better of we all stopped making claims based on opinion polls. It would be best if we stuck to the facts and the fact is the leave campaign won. Except it and move on. If I've been slightly overzealous in my criticism of the young people then it's because I've grown more then a little tired of the almost ceaseless attacks on the older generation.