Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Goat]

It all gets a bit murky doesnt it? On the one hand, the Leavers bang on about the democratic will of the people having spoken, and Parliament should honour that, whilst some of the reasons that folk voted "Out" are not actually enshrined in a manifesto, nor were the "promises" (sic) made by anyone who is in a position to actually implement them.

Its like the country now has to act on a vote in taken a VIth form college debate.

Like I have said ad finitum, we just didnt think this through, and for such a ridiculously serious decision to be made on the back of such nonsense, an "Are you sure?" vote should be taken.

Undemocratic? Some would say so. Sensible? Pretty sure most other than hard line Leavers would say so.

So your saying you would vote differently if there was a new vote?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It all gets a bit murky doesnt it? On the one hand, the Leavers bang on about the democratic will of the people having spoken, and Parliament should honour that, whilst some of the reasons that folk voted "Out" are not actually enshrined in a manifesto, nor were the "promises" (sic) made by anyone who is in a position to actually implement them.

Its like the country now has to act on a vote in taken a VIth form college debate.

Like I have said ad finitum, we just didnt think this through, and for such a ridiculously serious decision to be made on the back of such nonsense, an "Are you sure?" vote should be taken.

Undemocratic? Some would say so. Sensible? Pretty sure most other than hard line Leavers would say so.

Strictly speaking our next general election will be 2020. I do wonder if we will try and put off invoking article 50 until then, where the parties outline exactly what they'll be seeking and let us vote on it.

 

[roydo]

So your saying you would vote differently if there was a new vote?

I wouldnt mate, no, but I honestly believe that a lot of folk have been horrified by events since the vote, and didnt actually realise some of what has, and might, happen would do.

And speaking to people on my round only confirms that view.

An important decision made without the understanding of the implications and from blatant lies is no way for a proper democracy to function.

 

[roydo]

Strictly speaking our next general election will be 2020. I do wonder if we will try and put off invoking article 50 until then, where the parties outline exactly what they'll be seeking and let us vote on it.

Could possibly have all 4 biggest parties agreeing to defer, have another vote, or just ignore it!

Or May, in all likelihood, could call one in September, or Parliament could vote for an early one. Odd days.

 

[wikofootball]

Imo should. Never have been voted. On far too complex

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Could possibly have all 4 biggest parties agreeing to defer, have another vote, or just ignore it!

Or May, in all likelihood, could call one in September, or Parliament could vote for an early one. Odd days.

I'm inclined to think the parties will be fundamentally changed by this. I mean Labour is up for a leadership challenge, but any change is voted for by the same people that signed up en masse to vote for Corbyn, so I'd say he's certain to stay, but the MPs that gave him a vote of no-confidence might defect, like with the SDP in the 80s. Whether they go to the Lib Dems or to a new party is up for debate.

With the Tories, I can see a similar situation emerging as we saw with Labour, in that May has the backing of most MPs, but Leadsom gets the nod from the membership. So they'll be veering to the right as well, leaving both Conservative and Labour going further out and leaving a big vacuum in the centre ground.

Will that be filled by the Lib Dems, or will the more moderate parts of Lab-Con come to form a new party, or might we see several new parties emerge? Hard to say, but I don't think we'll have the status quo for much longer.

 

[peteblue]

Interesting you mention farmers. Do they think losing the subsidies they receive from the EU is a good idea? Do they think having free trade agreements with countries such as New Zealand like you have mentioned earlier will be good for them? Genuinely interested to understand as there must be some kind of benefits they see.

Anyway, it seems to contradict the beliefs of the National Farmers Union, which represents around 55,000 farmers in England and Wales and was against breaking with the EU from the start. Its president has subsequently gone as far as calling the vote’s result a “political car crash.”

The NFU do not actually represent all the farmers. The NFU wanted to remain, the farmers wanted to Leave. It's just like all the other unions, the so called leaders haven't a clue........

 

[peteblue]

I wouldnt mate, no, but I honestly believe that a lot of folk have been horrified by events since the vote, and didnt actually realise some of what has, and might, happen would do.

And speaking to people on my round only confirms that view.

An important decision made without the understanding of the implications and from blatant lies is no way for a proper democracy to function.

I agree mate, the remain voters were badly lied to.........

 

[Joey66]

The NFU do not actually represent all the farmers. The NFU wanted to remain, the farmers wanted to Leave. It's just like all the other unions, the so called leaders haven't a clue........

I would got No No if allowed

 

[peteblue]

It all gets a bit murky doesnt it? On the one hand, the Leavers bang on about the democratic will of the people having spoken, and Parliament should honour that, whilst some of the reasons that folk voted "Out" are not actually enshrined in a manifesto, nor were the "promises" (sic) made by anyone who is in a position to actually implement them.

Its like the country now has to act on a vote in taken a VIth form college debate.

Like I have said ad finitum, we just didnt think this through, and for such a ridiculously serious decision to be made on the back of such nonsense, an "Are you sure?" vote should be taken.

Undemocratic? Some would say so. Sensible? Pretty sure most other than hard line Leavers would say so.

Sorry to say this Roydo, but this is pure crap. The vote was to Leave. You may not have thought this through, because remain was the easy vote. However, those that did think it through and took the far harder decision to Leave know how difficult it will be but still determined it the best course. Your let's think again and have another vote is quite insulting really to those who already made the difficult choice......we voted out, that's the end, we are all Leavers now.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Sorry to say this Roydo, but this is pure crap. The vote was to Leave. You may not have thought this through, because remain was the easy vote. However, those that did think it through and took the far harder decision to Leave know how difficult it will be but still determined it the best course. Your let's think again and have another vote is quite insulting really to those who already made the difficult choice......we voted out, that's the end, we are all Leavers now.....

Rather naive to believe everyone that thinks/behaves like me is smart and considered, whilst those who don't are daft isn't it? And that applies for both leavers and remainers. Perhaps, if nothing else results from this sad affair, a greater sense of the need to understand those who may think differently has emerged.

 

[peteblue]

Rather naive to believe everyone that thinks/behaves like me is smart and considered, whilst those who don't are daft isn't it? And that applies for both leavers and remainers. Perhaps, if nothing else results from this sad affair, a greater sense of the need to understand those who may think differently has emerged.

If only that were true Bruce. Read this thread, really read the words, time and time again, the remainers have accused the Leave voters of not knowing what they were voting for, when they were not calling them Racists and idiots, and suggesting that if they have a proper think then they would change their vote. It's insulting. Voting remain was the easiest of votes, it took little thought and almost no effort, voting Leave took a little bit of courage and I'm glad to say that our country didn't let us down.........

 

[peteblue]

Now SOUTH KOREA wants British free trade deal as UK ministers struggle to cope with demand

SOUTH KOREA has joined the race to tie-up a major free trade deal with the UK in the wake of its exit from the European Union.

Finance Minister Yoo Il-ho said South Korea will pursue a post-Brexit trade deal with the UK

The Asian nation - the 11th richest country in the world - has launched a push for new ties with the UK as soon as the country has exited the EU, according to the national broadcaster KBS.

The decision to begin the landmark process was made during a meeting of ministers on Friday, chaired by Finance Minister Yoo Il-ho.

Yoo Il-ho warned there may be a "prolonged effect" from Brexit but told ministers negotiations and trade talks with the UK should not be dragged out.

South Korean officials have said despite market uncertainties in the wake of Brexit, the situation has now eased.

The country exported over $7 billion worth of goods to the UK last year which is 1.4 percent of its foreign trade.

 

[Brendan Janus]

South Korea want some quavers shipped across !

 

[fozzy]

South Korea want some quavers shipped across !

Its all about the pickled onion monster munch mate.