Italy- Spain - Portugal are all in the Euro crash mess with the out vote no need to bail them out with the leave vote !
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Not sure why you continue to deflect the discussion towards American politics. Seems a bit desperate.
For me it shows that 17 million odd people don't have the depth of knowledge to be making these sort of rash decisions as they weren't made aware of the consequences. The 350 million promised to the NHS weekly was immediately debunked the day after the vote.
What exactly are you going to be exporting?
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a the majority decision is the Final one
b the vote was held June 23rd
c the verdict of the vote was announced on June 24th
d debate closed
Without telling which way I voted, the above is absolute, and I like all others will adapt as necessary. We will all survive as there is far too much capital at stake to allow a sustained downfall in the economy as industrialists and bankers will never lose money. Ever.
As a major player in global economy, a lot of votes were cast in an equivalent way as, if in a similar scenario with yourselves, the USA was being governed by Canada and having to welcome every person from all over South America irrespective of suitability.
Many Remain voters prior to the referendum saw themselves as being caring and liberal, and the Leave voters castigated as bigots and racist. Since the outcome, those Remains have shown very little in the way of caring.
What is done is done. Now, let's get on with what we have, and for goodness sake, MOVE ON.
Without wishing to prolong a discussion about the rights and wrongs and the 'maybe 'outcomes of the decision, which of course none of us know;
a the majority decision is the Final one
b the vote was held June 23rd
c the verdict of the vote was announced on June 24th
d debate closed
Without telling which way I voted, the above is absolute, and I like all others will adapt as necessary. We will all survive as there is far too much capital at stake to allow a sustained downfall in the economy as industrialists and bankers will never lose money. Ever.
As a major player in global economy, a lot of votes were cast in an equivalent way as, if in a similar scenario with yourselves, the USA was being governed by Canada and having to welcome every person from all over South America irrespective of suitability.
Many Remain voters prior to the referendum saw themselves as being caring and liberal, and the Leave voters castigated as bigots and racist. Since the outcome, those Remains have shown very little in the way of caring.
What is done is done. Now, let's get on with what we have, and for goodness sake, MOVE ON.
peteblue
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Then this has run it's course....as for exports, as you said earlier, look it up.....
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EU referendum: youth turnout almost twice as high as first thought
About 64% of registered voters aged 18-24 went to polls, study reveals, but 90% of over-65s voted
The turnout among young people aged 18 to 24 in the EU referendum was almost double the level that has been widely reported since polling day, according to evidence compiled at the London School of Economics.
The new findings – based on detailed polling conducted since the referendum by Opinium, and analysed by Michael Bruter, professor of political science and European politics at the LSE, and his colleague, Dr Sarah Harrison – suggests the turnout was 64% among this age group.
It has been widely assumed since the referendum that the turnout among young people was around 36% – a figure that has allowed Brexit campaigners to say young people cannot claim that they were betrayed by older pro-Brexit voters, as almost two-thirds did not bother to vote.
Bruter and Harrison say the lower and wrong estimate was based on information released by Sky Data which relied on data compiled after last year’s general election, which looked at the proportion within each generation who said they always vote.
The new, far higher, figures emerged after Opinium conducted post-referendum polling among 2,002 people that asked four questions about how and whether they voted. They asked whether people voted at polling stations or by post, whether they were registered but did not vote, and whether they were not registered at all.
The results found that 64% of those young people who were registered did vote, rising to 65% among 25-to-39-year-olds and 66% among those aged between 40 and 54. It increased to 74% among the 55-to-64 age group and 90% for those aged 65 and over. It is thought that more than 70% of young voters chose to remain in the EU.
In a report, Bruter and Harrison say: “The question of whether young people voted or not is politically important for two critical reasons. First, because there continues to be a significant proportion of younger voters who say that they are unhappy with the result of the referendum and want to be heard, and one of the key arguments that has been made in answer to them is that they should have bothered to vote if they cared that much. And, second, because the government chose not to give the right to vote to 16- and 17-year-olds in the referendum. It is fair to ask whether allowing them to vote could have changed the result of the referendum or not.”
They say the assumption that a majority of young people who were registered did not bother to vote can be laid to rest. “While young people voted a little bit less than average, they were probably quite close to the national average (only 8% below according to our survey).”
Bruter added that if 16- and 17-year-olds had been allowed to vote, the result would almost certainly have been closer, reducing the ability of the Leave camp to claim a clear victory.
“Allowing 16-to-17-year-olds a vote would have added nearly 1.6 million potential citizens to the electorate, but it is of course extraordinarily difficult to know if it might have affected the outcome of the referendum. On balance, the results of our surveys on the turnout of 18-to-24-year-olds would suggest that it would not have been enough to overturn the result of the referendum … but it would have almost certainly reduced the advantage of Leave to such a point (likely less than 500,000 votes) that the very concept of a majority would have been highly controversial.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ce-as-high?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics
About 64% of registered voters aged 18-24 went to polls, study reveals, but 90% of over-65s voted
The turnout among young people aged 18 to 24 in the EU referendum was almost double the level that has been widely reported since polling day, according to evidence compiled at the London School of Economics.
The new findings – based on detailed polling conducted since the referendum by Opinium, and analysed by Michael Bruter, professor of political science and European politics at the LSE, and his colleague, Dr Sarah Harrison – suggests the turnout was 64% among this age group.
It has been widely assumed since the referendum that the turnout among young people was around 36% – a figure that has allowed Brexit campaigners to say young people cannot claim that they were betrayed by older pro-Brexit voters, as almost two-thirds did not bother to vote.
Bruter and Harrison say the lower and wrong estimate was based on information released by Sky Data which relied on data compiled after last year’s general election, which looked at the proportion within each generation who said they always vote.
The new, far higher, figures emerged after Opinium conducted post-referendum polling among 2,002 people that asked four questions about how and whether they voted. They asked whether people voted at polling stations or by post, whether they were registered but did not vote, and whether they were not registered at all.
The results found that 64% of those young people who were registered did vote, rising to 65% among 25-to-39-year-olds and 66% among those aged between 40 and 54. It increased to 74% among the 55-to-64 age group and 90% for those aged 65 and over. It is thought that more than 70% of young voters chose to remain in the EU.
In a report, Bruter and Harrison say: “The question of whether young people voted or not is politically important for two critical reasons. First, because there continues to be a significant proportion of younger voters who say that they are unhappy with the result of the referendum and want to be heard, and one of the key arguments that has been made in answer to them is that they should have bothered to vote if they cared that much. And, second, because the government chose not to give the right to vote to 16- and 17-year-olds in the referendum. It is fair to ask whether allowing them to vote could have changed the result of the referendum or not.”
They say the assumption that a majority of young people who were registered did not bother to vote can be laid to rest. “While young people voted a little bit less than average, they were probably quite close to the national average (only 8% below according to our survey).”
Bruter added that if 16- and 17-year-olds had been allowed to vote, the result would almost certainly have been closer, reducing the ability of the Leave camp to claim a clear victory.
“Allowing 16-to-17-year-olds a vote would have added nearly 1.6 million potential citizens to the electorate, but it is of course extraordinarily difficult to know if it might have affected the outcome of the referendum. On balance, the results of our surveys on the turnout of 18-to-24-year-olds would suggest that it would not have been enough to overturn the result of the referendum … but it would have almost certainly reduced the advantage of Leave to such a point (likely less than 500,000 votes) that the very concept of a majority would have been highly controversial.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ce-as-high?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics
Toffeelover
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If you go before the 2008 crash and look at Brown's cunning manipulation of spending when he was Chancellor then it will be clear to you.
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So if Trump is elected 52% for and 48% against will you want a second vote?
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Then more of the young should have got off their backside and voted, as for age shall we change that to include 10 to 15 year olds?
Toffeelover
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If we leave out any interest in US politics why don't you leave ours to us, nothing to do with you, worry about the shootings that go on and who will be President and what policies.
Popular vote doesn't determine the election mert. If he is elected, however, it's further proof that the average citizen simply isn't smart enough/responsible enough to be making these sort of decisions.
Because this decision has global repercussions.
And you can hardly say that folks on here aren't regularly commenting on American politics.
peteblue
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Why do you accuse the people who vote against what you want as not being smart enough/responsible enough. Is it because it differs from American interests as expressed by Obama/Clinton for whom you support.
I would bet everything I own, and I am no gambler, that I am both smarter (intellectually and streetwise) and more responsible (professionally and personally) than you, yet I voted Leave.
You denigrate 17.5 Million UK voters of whom you have no knowledge. These people could easily have taken the easy option of voting remain, yet they took the much harder and bolder decision to vote Leave, knowing the difficulties it would produce. Yet you attempt to undermine or dismiss their capability to understand. There comes a time when even the brightest amongst us has to accept what the people voted for and what our country needs to do. Why do you have so much trouble understanding, do you believe that you are so much more superior than ourselves......
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Pete, mate, calm own.
You denigrate 17 million UK voters, of whom you seem to have little knowledge, who took the no less hard course of voting remain.
if there was a second referendum, and it went the other way, I think there is a real likelihood of a breakdown of social order. On the other hand, I think the remain voters will ultimately take it on the chin, however plain stupid they may regard the underlying decision, and whatever the repetition of lies and piffle which led to it. We will lose Scotland, and the possibility of any future labour government. But we will not see cities burn. That is why I think remain supporters have to lump it.
If only I was as intelligent and streetwise as you, Pete, I might see it your way.
peteblue
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It was an overreaction.... It just upsets me that the Leave voters have been depicted as idiots, racists and whatever, when this is plainly not true. The remainers have done themselves no favours by demanding another vote, decrying the economy, forecasting doom and despondency and generally whinging all over the place. The reality is things will go on much like before except that after a period we will no longer have to adopt the multitude of rubbish emanating from Brussels. We will get back out into the world and do what we are good at, trade........
Edit, remain was 16Million.......
Gordon Brown, you may recall, cleared the debts from lend lease loans we had carried over since WW2. I disagree with the cunning manipulation of PFI's, saddling us with future debt. But I think you are blind to the positive achievements of Blair and Brown . They did win the war at home. What they did abroad was good in Bosnia and Sierra Leone, and backed to the hilt by the Tories in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Tories backed the bail out of the banks. Before that they complained Labour's controls on the City was too firm.
If you know your history...
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peteblue
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Gordon Brown ruined both the UK Telecommunications industry and the private Pension Schemes, and I do know my history.......
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