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The only way out of this is a GE and even that isn't a foregone conclusion that any side will come out of it with a majority.
Within the next 6 months I reckon there are 4 possible scenarios.
We leave with a deal.
We leave with no deal
We revoke article 50 and remain
We're still pushing Brexit down the road by extending the deadline dates.
In my opinion, only leaving with a deal is an option that allows the country to move on and hopefully start to mend. The other 3 involve a country totally divided and full of uncertainty. If I was a betting man I would say leaving with a deal is by far the least likely to happen, which means there's probably an 80/90% chance that we're in for a very bumpy road for the foreseeable future. Scary.
Seems he voted against the gay marriage bill, which is pretty disappointing.
Conservative: 56
Adam Afriyie (Windsor), Peter Aldous (Waveney), Steven Baker (Wycombe), Andrew Bingham (High Peak), Graham Brady (Altrincham & Sale West), Andrew Bridgen (Leicestershire North West), Steve Brine (Winchester), Robert Buckland (Swindon South), Aidan Burley (Cannock Chase), Christopher Chope (Christchurch), Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (Cotswolds, The), David Davies (Monmouth), Glyn Davies (Montgomeryshire), Philip Davies (Shipley), Jonathan Evans (Cardiff North), Roger Gale (Thanet North), Cheryl Gillan (Chesham & Amersham), James Gray (Wiltshire North), Charles Hendry (Wealden), Philip Hollobone (Kettering), Stewart Jackson (Peterborough), Gareth Johnson (Dartford), Marcus Jones (Nuneaton), Chris Kelly (Dudley South), Pauline Latham (Derbyshire Mid), Andrea Leadsom (Northamptonshire South), Phillip Lee (Bracknell), Ian Liddell-Grainger (Bridgwater & Somerset West), Tim Loughton (Worthing East & Shoreham), Karen Lumley (Redditch), Karl McCartney (Lincoln), Anne McIntosh (Thirsk & Malton), Esther McVey (Wirral West), Anne Main (St Albans), Paul Maynard (Blackpool North & Cleveleys), Nigel Mills (Amber Valley), David Morris (Morecambe & Lunesdale), David Nuttall (Bury North), Stephen O'Brien (Eddisbury), Matthew Offord (Hendon), Chris Pincher (Tamworth), John Redwood (Wokingham), Jacob Rees-Mogg (Somerset North East), Andrew Robathan (Leicestershire South), Alec Shelbrooke (Elmet & Rothwell), Henry Smith (Crawley), Caroline Spelman (Meriden), Bob Stewart (Beckenham), Martin Vickers (Cleethorpes), Ben Wallace (Wyre & Preston North), Robert Walter (Dorset North), Heather Wheeler (Derbyshire South), Craig Whittaker (Calder Valley), John Whittingdale (Maldon), Bill Wiggin (Herefordshire North), Gavin Williamson (Staffordshire South)
Labour: 8
Joe Benton (Bootle), Rosie Cooper (Lancashire West), David Crausby (Bolton North East), Jim Dobbin (Heywood & Middleton), Frank Field (Birkenhead), Mary Glindon (Tyneside North), Paul Murphy (Torfaen), Yasmin Qureshi (Bolton South East).
Liberal Democrats: 3
Sir Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed), Simon Hughes (Bermondsey & Old Southwark), Greg Mulholland (Leeds North West).
Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP): 3
Mark Durkan (Foyle), Dr Alasdair McDonnell (Belfast South), Margaret Ritchie (Down South).
Dr Phillip Lee: Why I abstained from Gay Marriage Vote
Last week many of my constituents contacted me about the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill that was placed before the House of Commons on Tuesday, February 5.
He explains his vote on gay marriage here for what it's worth.
Old Blue 2
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At the risk of being attacked (again), I will state this to you. The £350 million per week (gross) was an equivalent figure of the cost of a hospital. Neither campaign in the Referendum had any executive authority to allocate ANY finances anywhere. So your contention above is wrong.
Got it?
An Election could leave us in more or less the same position we are now.
IMO we ned a new Referendum.
There is no excuse for anyone not knowing what they are voting for this time.....so it was NO again then this particular Remainer would stop taking to the internet to complain about it.
Barnfred 55
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Not really Bruce. I can only speak for myself of course. I may be more informed as regards the finer detail, but the broad outline remains pretty much as I expected.
I didn't expect parliament, and the government in particular, to make such a ham fisted job of leaving, and I certainly didn't expect the country to become so divided or the vitriolic backlash against leave voters. My mind has not been changed in that I don't regret the way I voted. However I do regret that the vote took place at all because it has caused such a terrible mess that will take years, possibly decades, to recover properly.
The binman chronicles
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This, a GE just muddies the waters further. Parliament should decide if they would vote to allow May's/Boris's deal including a backstop and if they don't then a simple no deal or remain question goes on the ballot.
How can you say that everyone read it?I tried to upload the Government brochure on Brexit but I'm crap at this sort of thing. Said the file was too big. But if you haven't seen it already it is easily obtainable on line. It's quite concise and 100% in favour of remain.
This brochure was sent out to every household in the country prior to Brexit, at a cost to the tax payer of £9m might I add.
How can you say that it was an uninformed democratic decision. (Well actually you didn't, you said uniformed but I guessed what you meant because I'm not quite as thick as you think as you think I am)
roydo
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Same here. The "prize" doesnt really seem worth the price.
Barnfred 55
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I don't want a second referendum as I don't believe it will solve anything. All that will happen is you set a precedent for future ones. Where will it stop. That's just my opinion of course and I accept that every person who wants to remain will disagree with me.
But the problem we have at the moment is that we have a parliament who can not agree on anything, including a new referendum. So all that will happen until the demographics of parliament is changed is that Brexit will keep on being kicked further down the road, and all the uncertainty that goes with it is what is really killing this country. The only way to change that is through a GE, although I accept, and indeed actually acknowledged in the post you responded to, that a majority for either side is far from guaranteed.
larrygobfiend
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Chill out man. You're the cool dude round these parts.
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In my workplace there is a lot more interest in politics and wanting to hold politicians to account for their actions, whereas before folks would just vote every 4 - 5 years for whoever wore a red rosette and then just carry on with their day to day lives.
So hopefully future generations will see what a total mess this has been, get more involved and scrutinise their elected representatives a lot more than has happened in the past
roydo
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Again, agreed. Said as much ages ago. And as for every remainer wanting a 2nd vote, not me. Cant see what it would solve. The damage is done.
I get bored saying it, but it is still true. I voted to stay cos I didnt know what I was voting for. Apparently everyone who voted to leave did though. Sorry, but I beg to differ.
larrygobfiend
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I'd guess that most remainers have come to terms with leaving and most brexiteers don't want a hard brexit. We're probably all on the same page, so why is all of this bollocks happening?
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