Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Khalekan]

Yay......well done that man

 

[LinekersLegs]

Big of him there all getting binned after anyway ,so he jumps before he is pushed be a few more before the nights out.
Tories fighting tories cant get enough of it myself.
Liberals should have told him to do one and left him looking for a seat somewhere
Would have been a laugh watching him scurry about.
The libs will take anything in tho.

Whatever you think from a political standpoint, from a drama perspective he has truly impressive timing.

 

[Blues Harp]

He's got Blair pulling his strings now too.

Don't think so.... Bliar is the last person Corbyn would listen to.....the former is a liar just like the excuse for a pm we have now..... red tory

 

[Barnfred 55]

@peteblue can you explain to me why a second referendum would be a bad thing?
Given the misinformation and lack of understanding in the lead up to the initial vote, and how much more informed we are about the potential outcomes and paths a brexit would take, surely it would be a much more informed democratic decision made by the general public.
An informed democratic decision is better than an uniformed one surely.

I tried to upload the Government brochure on Brexit but I'm crap at this sort of thing. Said the file was too big. But if you haven't seen it already it is easily obtainable on line. It's quite concise and 100% in favour of remain.

This brochure was sent out to every household in the country prior to Brexit, at a cost to the tax payer of £9m might I add.

How can you say that it was an uninformed democratic decision. (Well actually you didn't, you said uniformed but I guessed what you meant because I'm not quite as thick as you think as you think I am)

 

[PaulPowersTash]

@peteblue can you explain to me why a second referendum would be a bad thing?
Given the misinformation and lack of understanding in the lead up to the initial vote, and how much more informed we are about the potential outcomes and paths a brexit would take, surely it would be a much more informed democratic decision made by the general public.
An informed democratic decision is better than an uniformed one surely.

But the democratic decisions have already been taken:
The Parliament mandated the decision and authority to leave or remain in the EU to the plebiscite.
Parliament ceded it's authority to the public 100% on this matter.
It was the plebiscite who decided by a majority decision to leave the EU.
It was a simple and very straight forward in / out vote with no mention or discussion of 'a deal'. We remain or leave. The 'deal' was introduced afterwards when MP's decided they didn't like or agree with the totally shock decision of the people to leave the EU. Revisionism at it's very best.
The current house of MP's agreed and endorsed this decision by a huge 544 votes to 53 votes by accepting and passing the WA in the House of Commons. Not a single Conservative, Labour or Liberal Democrat MP voted against it - not a single one (the 53 rejecting the agreement were the SNP) - how quickly things change.
Further to this during the 2017 General Election over 85% of elected MP's fought on manifesto's that agreed to honour the outcome and result of the referendum - 85% of them. How quickly things change?
In fact it was Hilary Benn himself who actually said 'If you vote to leave, that's it - we're going'. Yes the very same Hillary Benn who now backs a second public vote to overturn the first one and is attempting to block an exit by legal means simply because Parliament (who are supposed to represent the people) refuse point blank to honour the first referendum.

Also, Philip Hammond - yes that's him, the very same one said in 2015:

'The EU had changed almost beyond recognition from what the British people had endorsed in 1975 and therefore another popular mandate was required'. He also carried on to say: ' whether you favour Britain being in or out, we surely should all be able to agree on the simple principle that the decision over our membership should be taken by the British people. Not by Whitehall bureaucrats, certainly not by Brussels Eurocrats and not even by government ministers or by parliamentarians in this chamber. The decision must be for the common sense of the British people. For too long powers have been handed to Brussels over their heads. For to long their voice on Europe has not been heard. This puts that right. A simple in/out referendum that we promised and I commend it to the House'. Yes - Phillip Hammond said those exact words in 2015 - how quickly things change?

As I say the democratic votes have already been taken. What is happening now is an full blown, blatant, unashamed attempt to stop and halt Brexit completely. 'The discussion regarding 'a deal' is simply the smoke screen and a very poor attempt to hide this fact.

Regardless of if you voted 'leave' or remain' democracy in this country is being systematically dismantled and no good will come from it either now or in the future...

 

[Barnfred 55]

No nothing financial ect.
But its sets a perogative that a outside body can tell are PM what to do outside of are parliment and the queen or electrate
, i was just wondering if it would get challenged , as its not this instance but any future instance this might come into play, say Trump got to say PM do this or that because it suits whomever may want that at the time in parliment.
Just me wondering really , daft stuff like that gets in my head every so often.

So if the EU come back with conditions such as they want us to have a GE or 2nd referendum, which I wouldn't blame them if they did as they must be as fed up as we are with all the extensions, how would that affect things? If it isn't mentioned in the Bill itself, would Boris have to go back to parliament or could he just say no deal (probably the wrong wordinglol).

Another interesting thing I heard today from the BBC political correspondent. If Parliament passes legislation this week that required Boris to go to the EU to request an extension, it will require the agreement of each individual member country. The BBC guy said that technically, as the UK are still members, we could veto our own request for an extension.

 

[Kiwi]

I tried to upload the Government brochure on Brexit but I'm crap at this sort of thing. Said the file was too big. But if you haven't seen it already it is easily obtainable on line. It's quite concise and 100% in favour of remain.

This brochure was sent out to every household in the country prior to Brexit, at a cost to the tax payer of £9m might I add.

How can you say that it was an uninformed democratic decision. (Well actually you didn't, you said uniformed but I guessed what you meant because I'm not quite as thick as you think as you think I am)

Are the public not more informed now of the reality of the situation though? Also the public were told blatant lies about 350 million going to the NHS so.
Still don't see why making a more informed decision is a bad one. In business you make a decision when you have the facts in front of you not making a leap of faith with no plan.

 

[Barnfred 55]

This is driving a wedge in the Tories as expected.

Whatever your political allegiance this isn't necessarily a good thing. A new far right party will emerge the other side. Let's hope they don't get in power.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Are the public not more informed now of the reality of the situation though? Also the public were told blatant lies about 350 million going to the NHS so.
Still don't see why making a more informed decision is a bad one. In business you make a decision when you have the facts in front of you not making a leap of faith with no plan.

No I don't think we are more informed now. That Government brochure went out to every household and told everybody everything they needed to know. Plus it was completely one sided.

The only people who believe anybody was uninformed are remain supporters, and they believe that only leave voters were uninformed. Weird that.

 

[zzr45]

So if the EU come back with conditions such as they want us to have a GE or 2nd referendum, which I wouldn't blame them if they did as they must be as fed up as we are with all the extensions, how would that affect things? If it isn't mentioned in the Bill itself, would Boris have to go back to parliament or could he just say no deal (probably the wrong wordinglol).

Another interesting thing I heard today from the BBC political correspondent. If Parliament passes legislation this week that required Boris to go to the EU to request an extension, it will require the agreement of each individual member country. The BBC guy said that technically, as the UK are still members, we could veto our own request for an extension.

You lost get used to it.

 

[LinekersLegs]

This is driving a wedge in the Tories as expected.

Lee joining the lib dems isn’t exactly going smoothly either

 

[edge]

So if the EU come back with conditions such as they want us to have a GE or 2nd referendum, which I wouldn't blame them if they did as they must be as fed up as we are with all the extensions, how would that affect things? If it isn't mentioned in the Bill itself, would Boris have to go back to parliament or could he just say no deal (probably the wrong wordinglol).

Another interesting thing I heard today from the BBC political correspondent. If Parliament passes legislation this week that required Boris to go to the EU to request an extension, it will require the agreement of each individual member country. The BBC guy said that technically, as the UK are still members, we could veto our own request for an extension.

The EU have already said it will expect something like the above to happen to get an extension as just turning up saying sorry we are all over the place isnt good enought, dont blame them either.
Its not in the bill but he cant say he has a deal unless one is made, the current one has been knocked back twice, the EU have said thats it thats all thats on offer.
Were does he get this deal from , i would love to know?
The EU know we arnt leaving without one if parliment gets its way ,so why would they offer anything.
so we go on in an endless circle till its broken

 

[tsubaki]

Lee joining the lib dems isn’t exactly going smoothly either

the reaction from that "Lib Dem councillor" is disgusting

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No I don't think we are more informed now. That Government brochure went out to every household and told everybody everything they needed to know. Plus it was completely one sided.

The only people who believe anybody was uninformed are remain supporters, and they believe that only leave voters were uninformed. Weird that.

I'd like to think most people are significantly more informed after three years of discussing this than they were from a short pamphlet. It'd be hard not to be wouldn't it?

 

[Hawhaw]

So if the EU come back with conditions such as they want us to have a GE or 2nd referendum, which I wouldn't blame them if they did as they must be as fed up as we are with all the extensions, how would that affect things? If it isn't mentioned in the Bill itself, would Boris have to go back to parliament or could he just say no deal (probably the wrong wordinglol).

Another interesting thing I heard today from the BBC political correspondent. If Parliament passes legislation this week that required Boris to go to the EU to request an extension, it will require the agreement of each individual member country. The BBC guy said that technically, as the UK are still members, we could veto our own request for an extension.

The EU have made country’s vote again until they get their own way many times, but could you imagine if they tried to do that here.

The right wing press would crucify them. It would be a great recruitment drive for Farage and Bojo.

Only thing that could be worse would be eurofanatic Verhofstadt, being on our streets demanding less control for member states.


On your second point, if Boris is forced to ask for an extension by law, he could go to someone who is sympathetic to his cause such as Viktor Orbán and agree to compensate him.

He doesn’t have much political capital in Brussels anyway.

We’d crash out on WTO in that case.