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[orchard]

Rubbish, Parliament has had 3 years to sort this out, there can be no consensus reached if they debate it for another 10 years.

Johnson is taking them out of the equation and rightly so, it's time to force the EU's hand, there has already been movement because for the first time we have shown the EU we are 100% gone on the 31st if they don't for the first time start looking to find an amicable deal with us, all they've ever done upto now is try to keep us in the EU by making a deal undesirable in it's current form.

Yea, the Tories tried really hard to generate a consensus

 

[orchard]

I prefer no deal, a bit of pain for both sides then new ways of doing things will be worked out and we will prosper being free to set things up the way that is best for us, opening up new opportunities without EU jurisdiction stopping us or making it difficult.

The EU know they need to make trade as frictionless as possible between us in the end, there is a 20bn deficit in their favour after all, it's in their best interests to have a good relationship with us post brexit.

Hahaha

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Because they sell more to us than we sell to them, they need a deal, and they have always thought there was a distinct possibility the infighting in our parliament would mean brexit would never happen at all which is their preferred outcome.

Johnson has realised to get the EU to climb down he must put us on a course of no deal, for the first time in 3 years the EU can see this is now the outcome if they don't come to the table for the first time and give concessions.

The EU have disrespected us from day one and made it as hard as it could to get a deal out of them we'd be happy with, the EU does not want us to leave, they want control over us, they can see the possibility of us making our own way and taking advantage and prospering from being out of their jurisdiction, showing the way to other countries to follow us out the door.

Johnson is just showing what an absolute feeble PM May was.

From the ever excellent Commons Library (https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851), the EU is around half of UK trade (46% of exports, 54% of imports). By contrast, around 8% of the EU's trade is with the UK.

Do you believe 8% is a bigger number than 50%?

 

[Xizor]

Rubbish, Parliament has had 3 years to sort this out, there can be no consensus reached if they debate it for another 10 years.

That doesn't remotely follow on from what I said. You compared May and Johnson, I said that at least May stood herself up to scrutiny whilst Johnson is hiding from it. That's literally what is happening right now, in this country. Big Brave Boris is hiding from the rest of Parliament. Remember when Trump started shutting the US Government down as soon as the Democrats controlled the house and could start holding him to account?

I mean, if you're broadly in favour of a dictator running the country at his own whim, who doesn't let the press question him directly and shuts down parts of the political establishment that doesn't agree with him, then you do you. Personally I prefer a democratic way of governing a country.

Johnson is taking them out of the equation and rightly so

Right, pro-dictatorship. I'd quote the rest of your garbage but it's really just a cut and paste job from the laziest Express hack so consider it instead just beneath contempt.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

It's right that Parliament are removed from a Parliamentary Democracy?

Referendum trumps Parliamentary Democracy, the people have spoken, who the frig are the MP's to stand in the way of the will of the people which is what they've done for 3 years.

Johnson is playing a blinder here, he'll get a deal, leave him to it FFS.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Referendum trumps Parliamentary Democracy, the people have spoken, who the frig are the MP's to stand in the way of the will of the people which is what they've done for 3 years.

Johnson is playing a blinder here, he'll get a deal, leave him to it FFS.

Erm what?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The only problem with all that is if they give the concessions that will appease leavers, the whole EU system is done for. Why should the population of France etc. allow freedom of movement if they can have what the UK have?

You don't see Turkeys voting for Christmas and you won't see EU leaders voting to kill off their own creation either.

*whispers* because free movement of people is one of the best things politicians have done ever.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

From the ever excellent Commons Library (https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851), the EU is around half of UK trade (46% of exports, 54% of imports). By contrast, around 8% of the EU's trade is with the UK.

Do you believe 8% is a bigger number than 50%?

"The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£64 billion with the EU in 2018. A surplus of £29 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of -£93 billion on trade in goods".

Statistics on UK-EU trade

The UK’s trading relationship with the EU changed fundamentally following Brexit. This briefing provides statistics on UK trade with the EU over recent years.

researchbriefings.parliament.uk

 

[Xizor]

Referendum trumps Parliamentary Democracy,

Umm.... nope. This isn't a game.

the people have spoken, who the frig are the MP's

The people spoke and elected the MPs as their representatives. That's how our democracy works, but then you seem to hate it and just want to install an autocrat. Have you considered a move to Hungary? If you go quickly you'll get free movement.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I prefer no deal, a bit of pain for both sides then new ways of doing things will be worked out and we will prosper being free to set things up the way that is best for us, opening up new opportunities without EU jurisdiction stopping us or making it difficult.

The EU know they need to make trade as frictionless as possible between us in the end, there is a 20bn deficit in their favour after all, it's in their best interests to have a good relationship with us post brexit.

I expect we will go down a canada + route eventually which is what we could have had from the start, if we continue down.the leave path. May rejected this as she wanted better but you won't get that without the four freedoms, which are universally unacceptable to most leavers.

However this will decimate the service industry that we are good at. Banking will have already left for Frankfurt by the time any deal is concluded. There can be no magic deal that the EU are suddenly going to handover so again the threat of no deal is irrelevant.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I just hope @OnlyBlueWillDo doesn't go full racist on us tbh. It's nice to have a new face in here.

 

[Ruairi77]

Rubbish, Parliament has had 3 years to sort this out, there can be no consensus reached if they debate it for another 10 years.

Johnson is taking them out of the equation and rightly so, it's time to force the EU's hand, there has already been movement because for the first time we have shown the EU we are 100% gone on the 31st if they don't for the first time start looking to find an amicable deal with us, all they've ever done upto now is try to keep us in the EU by making a deal undesirable in it's current form.

The EU were never going to negotiate a deal that was desirable to the UK. Why would they? It would risk the breakup of the EU.
May and her team negotiated a reasonable deal with the EU, it was a compromise. The problem was that many back in London saw this as an opportunity to further their own political careers.
Now it's come to the point where an unelected monarch has backed an unelected prime minister to close the body of elected politicians in order to push for a deal that the EU cant give.
madness.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Umm.... nope. This isn't a game.



The people spoke and elected the MPs as their representatives. That's how our democracy works, but then you seem to hate it and just want to install an autocrat. Have you considered a move to Hungary? If you go quickly you'll get free movement.

Referendum is the highest form of democracy there is, the decision and power was given to the people and the people decided.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I just hope @OnlyBlueWillDo doesn't go full racist on us tbh. It's nice to have a new face in here.

My new favourite sentence is 'refendum trumps Parliamentary Democracy'.

Brilliant in it's complete lack of detail or meaning.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Erm what?

Referendum is the highest form of democracy there is old bean.