Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Of course the UK does. So what? The UK also know every comma and full stop of the EU's constitution yet it hasn't helped in negotiating a withdrawal agreement has it?

Different times now though......

 

[peteblue]

lol He has a long and impressive track record of lying you mad man

Are you saying he’s not going to prorogue Parliament or take us out on Oct31st......

 

[peteblue]

link?

The EU has assets of about £154Bn.......

House of Lords - Brexit and the EU budget - European Union Committee

publications.parliament.uk

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Are you saying he’s not going to prorogue Parliament or take us out on Oct31st......

I would advise you not to trust a single word he says. But you know that yourself anyways. As long as he’s saying what you want to hear you’ll go along with it

 

[Bruce Wayne]

How Parliament can stop Boris Johnson’s no-deal Brexit

The prime minister has sidelined Parliament and set a course for no-deal. MPs must act now to stop him

www.economist.com

Kinda sums it up:

One by one, the principles on which the Brexit campaign was fought have been exposed as hollow. Before the referendum, Leavers argued that victory would enable them to negotiate a brilliant deal with the European Union. Now they advocate leaving with no deal at all. Before the vote they said that Brexit would allow Britain to strike more free-trade agreements. Now they say that trading on the bare-bones terms of the World Trade Organisation would be fine. Loudest of all they talked of taking back control and restoring sovereignty to Parliament. Yet on August 28th Boris Johnson, a leading Leaver who is now prime minister, announced that in the run-up to Brexit Parliament would be suspended altogether.

 

[peteblue]

I see Momentum’s bully boys are threatening MP’s....typical left wing tactics, when beaten try violence.....

 

[random]

And the question in this statement is where exactly ?

There isn't one.

Thanks for clearing that up.

We have a off-thread conversation going already and rather than clog this thread up I am more than willing to go there and carry on the debate about who asked what of whom and when if you so wish.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

We, they, whoever, have to accept the reality that the end game is on. I voted remain, but hey ho, by trick or treat we are where we are. A 2nd referendum solves nothing. A GE solves nothing.

We leave end of October. What that looks like, no one knows. But the die is cast. edit. Or dye. CBA

General election could very well solve everything, we are in this purely because of no majority in the last election. Had May won that like she was hotly tipped to do her deal would have been signed off. Elections tend to have there own energy and it's the electorate who force the agenda typically a topic or policy tends to lift off and it's why either side of Brexit don't want to risk an election because they concede and loose control of debate.

Although I also voted remain, it was with no real conviction or beliefs about the European Union, and Brexit is very much a red herring to much more significant domestic policy. Bring it on.

 

[peteblue]

How Parliament can stop Boris Johnson’s no-deal Brexit

The prime minister has sidelined Parliament and set a course for no-deal. MPs must act now to stop him

www.economist.com

Kinda sums it up:

Bruce, and all the other Remainer posters, here’s a question for you. Would you accept a deal that effectively manages our complete exit from the EU.?.....or do you just want to reverse the result ?.......in your own time......

 

[orchard]

Oh well, like I said, has a narrative, if not facts.

edit. No idea who Norbert is btw.

Head of German foreign affairs committee

 

[Ruairi77]

The EU has assets of about £154Bn.......

House of Lords - Brexit and the EU budget - European Union Committee

publications.parliament.uk

OK, the only reference to art in that is what ever art hangs in the buildings owned by the EU. I didn't see any reference to wine.
So the EU has not invested directly in art or wine as assets. These properties make up just 6% of the EU's assets.
It seems to me that all these assets are functions of the operation of the EU.
There's nothing like the Smitsonian or the Museum of London here. I don't think it's an issue at all.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Thanks for clearing that up.

We have a off-thread conversation going already and rather than clog this thread up I am more than willing to go there and carry on the debate about who asked what of whom and when if you so wish.

Not really I think it's pretty clear. You carry on playing the victim though.

 

[Ruairi77]

Bruce, and all the other Remainer posters, here’s a question for you. Would you accept a deal that effectively manages our complete exit from the EU.?.....or do you just want to reverse the result ?.......in your own time......

for me, at this point the damage is done and I'd be happy for the UK to leave the EU as long as the border with N.Ireland can remain the way it is today.
If that can't be guaranteed by both sides. I'd like the UK to remain in the EU.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Bruce, and all the other Remainer posters, here’s a question for you. Would you accept a deal that effectively manages our complete exit from the EU.?.....or do you just want to reverse the result ?.......in your own time......

My ideal scenario would be remain. Failing that a Customs Union or as close an alignment to the EU as possible. This shouldn't be a surprise

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

You never know, but this shutting down Parliament, (cant spell the proper word), might focus the EU minds to the looming reality that sommet needs to give.

There's no point in the EU wobbling now and giving in to Johnson's threats.

Its now got to the stage that even the EU dropping the backstop (which they won't anyway) wouldn't be enough for these fanatics and they would try to veto any deal Johnson might agree to in parliament.

They are absolutely determined to force a No Deal through irrespective of the consequences. This collision course can only be stopped in Westminster, and there is a sense of unity now among opposition parties to do just that. I sincerely hope they succeed for the good of everyone.