Current Affairs EU In or Out

[orchard]

Honest question. Would Corbyn support a Jo Swinson led emergency government? I kinda suspect not.

Who knows, who cares, the opportunity to form a temporary government just to make sure the public support a no-deal brexit(even the snp are on board) and who's wanting to play politics and insist the largest party change its leader as a priority?

 

[orchard]

But we’re adopting EU food laws, it’s prescribed into legislation already.

I’ve consulted on it

Sorry, i'll take that with a pinch of salt mate, we've at least loosened some of the wording in the legislation, detailed in a leak a few months ago.

Why would US officials be talking about agriculture otherwise?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Honest question. Would Corbyn support a Jo Swinson led emergency government? I kinda suspect not.

Why would he? She publicly said she wouldn't enter into coalition with labour then immediately tabled a no confidence vote expecting Labour to back it.

Grandstanding of the highest order.

 

[Methuselah]

We havnt left.

And lol at a brexiteer accusing remainers of believing stuff!

Roydo, the Project Fear wallah's told us that unemployment would rocket almost immediately after the referendum.

 

[nsno-chris]

Sorry, i'll take that with a pinch of salt mate, we've at least loosened some of the wording in the legislation, detailed in a leak a few months ago.

Why would US officials be talking about agriculture otherwise?

We really haven’t, the legislation is quite simple. It transposes everything from EU into U.K. with small changes to territorial issues (i.e.instead of “imported into the union” it states “imported in to Britain”).

Then you have the restarting of TTIP within the next year or so, this will have Europe accepting the same standards.

The major issue facing the U.K. when we leave is products from Europe, not other 3rd countries. The systems in Europe are great for those importing and wanting business, but the same standards are not implemented across the member states.

We will allow entry of all EU goods for 2 years but are currently developing a big data solution and will require all imported to notify when importing EU products. This will form part of a massive risk matrix so moving forward we can put necessary controls on EU products. All current 3rd country products will remain on EU annexes (such as 669/2009 & 884/2014 to be repealed and replaced with 2017/625 by December) and the U.K. will adopt these into U.K. law.

Go on the RASFF portal to see the amount of daily issues with EU origin foodstuffs, yet people see there arse with American goods (not that I’m saying they’re good BTW)

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Roydo, the Project Fear wallah's told us that unemployment would rocket almost immediately after the referendum.

Okay so ignoring the obvious response that "we havent left yet" so the negatives are still being artificially put off....

Does it not ever occur to you that the Leave side simply argues that "the doom and gloom wont be as bad as feared" or "we survived the blitz we will manage through this".....sorry but at what point is the good stuff supposed to hit with Brexit?!

When campaigning for Leave it was all milk and honey. Now it's a case of disaster aversion (or actually just mitigation).

Thoughts?

 

[orly]

We really haven’t, the legislation is quite simple. It transposes everything from EU into U.K. with small changes to territorial issues (i.e.instead of “imported into the union” it states “imported in to Britain”).

Then you have the restarting of TTIP within the next year or so, this will have Europe accepting the same standards.

The major issue facing the U.K. when we leave is products from Europe, not other 3rd countries. The systems in Europe are great for those importing and wanting business, but the same standards are not implemented across the member states.

We will allow entry of all EU goods for 2 years but are currently developing a big data solution and will require all imported to notify when importing EU products. This will form part of a massive risk matrix so moving forward we can put necessary controls on EU products. All current 3rd country products will remain on EU annexes (such as 669/2009 & 884/2014 to be repealed and replaced with 2017/625 by December) and the U.K. will adopt these into U.K. law.

Go on the RASFF portal to see the amount of daily issues with EU origin foodstuffs, yet people see there arse with American goods (not that I’m saying they’re good BTW)

*fixes inoperabilities in the legislation for a UK context

 

[orchard]

We really haven’t, the legislation is quite simple. It transposes everything from EU into U.K. with small changes to territorial issues (i.e.instead of “imported into the union” it states “imported in to Britain”).

Then you have the restarting of TTIP within the next year or so, this will have Europe accepting the same standards.

The major issue facing the U.K. when we leave is products from Europe, not other 3rd countries. The systems in Europe are great for those importing and wanting business, but the same standards are not implemented across the member states.

We will allow entry of all EU goods for 2 years but are currently developing a big data solution and will require all imported to notify when importing EU products. This will form part of a massive risk matrix so moving forward we can put necessary controls on EU products. All current 3rd country products will remain on EU annexes (such as 669/2009 & 884/2014 to be repealed and replaced with 2017/625 by December) and the U.K. will adopt these into U.K. law.

Go on the RASFF portal to see the amount of daily issues with EU origin foodstuffs, yet people see there arse with American goods (not that I’m saying they’re good BTW)

i) we have at least changed the remedial deterrent
ii) are you failing to differentiate between a) breaking rules within a region (which are being addressed) and b) having territorial rules where such things would be permissable?

 

[nsno-chris]

i) we have at least changed the remedial deterrent
ii) are you failing to differentiate between a) breaking rules within a region (which are being addressed) and b) having territorial rules where such things would be permissable?

No, an example would be for Article 6 which states

In Article 2
A) in paragraph 1, for “Community” substitute “food safety authority”
B) in paragraph 3, omit “whether at community or national level”
C) in paragraph 4, omit “of a member state”

It also amends current UK legislation (such as the OFFC 2009) by changing references to such things as “member states” and replacing with “secretary of state”

There is no change or amendment to any EU law that changes standards or controls of various chemical or microbiological contamination.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Who knows, who cares, the opportunity to form a temporary government just to make sure the public support a no-deal brexit(even the snp are on board) and who's wanting to play politics and insist the largest party change its leader as a priority?

Because Johnson and Corbyn are two sides of the same coin. Both are power hungry and are hitching their horse to whatever will get them into government. He doesn't give two hoots about EU membership.

 

[peteblue]

Just on your last sentence Pete.....assuming you agree that a majority of working age people voted to Remain in the EU (and an even bigger majority of business leaders) isnt it a bit bloody rich of a large bank of Leave voters who are either retired or unemployed/unskilled to just hand the task of building the rosey future to the very ones that didn't want it in the first place?!

Why would I agree that a majority of working age people voted Remain. I will grant you that a majority of non working students may have voted Remain, just as they may have voted Labour or LD. To insinuate that unemployed/unskilled or retired folk make up the Leave vote is insulting tbh. I have four children, all graduates, in their 30’s and 40’s, two did not vote as they live and work outside of the U.K. (not in the EU btw), the other two voted Leave as did my wife and myself. My wife, who is receiving a pension, still owns and actively runs her business. I am now fully retired, meaning that I no longer put in 60 hour weeks, but even in retirement I have set up two small businesses for others to run and myself to oversee. So I don’t really agree with the point you are making......

 

[peteblue]

Is the government planning on leaving the WTO too then as I'm fairly sure that isn't allowed.

What the U.K. does with its tax breaks is entirely up to the U.K. once gone from the EU......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Roydo, the Project Fear wallah's told us that unemployment would rocket almost immediately after the referendum.

I don't know if you deliberately set out to mislead or just don't bother to research the things you write.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/524967/hm_treasury_analysis_the_immediate_economic_impact_of_leaving_the_eu_web.pdf#page=56

This was economic analysis performed by the Treasury Department and the quote you've referenced is the 'extreme shock' or worst case scenario outlined in that report. You might also remember the Bank of England printing several billion pounds immediately after the vote to make sure that scenario didn't unfold?

 

[peteblue]

Fair enough that's your opinion.

But a bit surprised you believe the EU will give us a better deal outside than we currently enjoy inside (with all the concessions and rebates).

The deal will not be a better one because we will not have their much lauded ‘four freedoms’, nor will we have the EU as a Political body, we will just trade with them.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What the U.K. does with its tax breaks is entirely up to the U.K. once gone from the EU......

And under most favoured nation rules, they cannot offer breaks to some nations and not others. So it would be no tariffs to everyone or WTO tariffs. It feels like you've gone to the Boris Johnson school of trade treaties Pete.