Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Yes certainly a deal for trade is a must.....

With the EU? The free trade deal that the EU has said will require the Withdrawal Agreement to be signed off before they'll discuss? The WA that is 'dead' according to the current No.10?

With the US? Where congress has indicated they won't ratify any trade deal unless steps are taken to safeguard peace on the Irish border? Steps that the current administration have shown no indication of taking?
 
With the EU? The free trade deal that the EU has said will require the Withdrawal Agreement to be signed off before they'll discuss? The WA that is 'dead' according to the current No.10?

With the US? Where congress has indicated they won't ratify any trade deal unless steps are taken to safeguard peace on the Irish border? Steps that the current administration have shown no indication of taking?

And the 70 odd trade deals we currently have. Mad aint it?

(I plucked the 70 out of thin air, I havnt a clue how many the EU/we have with the world, but as it stands, come 1st November, we will have about 7)
 
With the EU? The free trade deal that the EU has said will require the Withdrawal Agreement to be signed off before they'll discuss? The WA that is 'dead' according to the current No.10?

With the US? Where congress has indicated they won't ratify any trade deal unless steps are taken to safeguard peace on the Irish border? Steps that the current administration have shown no indication of taking?
No deal will hurt them too they have to realise we voted out democratically.....Mays agreement parts of it need changing the balls in their court....
 
No deal will hurt them too they have to realise we voted out democratically.....Mays agreement parts of it need changing the balls in their court....

Why is the ball in their court? As far as they're concerned they've given a departing member the best possible terms (remember that the backstop was originally NI only, but that would never get past the DUP so the EU caved in and made it UK-wide). Citizens' rights bilaterally agreed. The UK honouring its agreed financial commitments. The GFA upheld by all parties, ensuring the safety of both EU and British citizens near the border. The ball has been in the UK's court all of 2019 as May tried to get her Deal through parliament, and as far as the EU is concerned they're still waiting for the UK to grow up and start acting like a big boy nation, and stop wasting time prodding at things in its potty...

The EU is a political project as much as an economic one (amazing how Brexiters forget that seeing as it's often cited as the major point of contention with membership) and there's no political will to give special preference to a departing member over protecting the interests of the remaining 27, hence there won't be some magic Corbynesque 'close alignment to' or 'access to' the single market etc. whilst still allowing the utopian Brexit dream of independent trade deals with all corners of the globe (many of which we already have now through the EU at far more preferential terms than we'll be able to get alone).

So yes, 'no deal' hurts them in an economic sense too (though not to the catastrophic levels we'll experience here), but caving in and either granting us some sort of continued access to markets we'll have no right to access, or failing to protect one of their member's acute interest on their suddenly-appearing border, is essentially the first step towards the complete dissolution of the European project.
 
Why is the ball in their court? As far as they're concerned they've given a departing member the best possible terms (remember that the backstop was originally NI only, but that would never get past the DUP so the EU caved in and made it UK-wide). Citizens' rights bilaterally agreed. The UK honouring its agreed financial commitments. The GFA upheld by all parties, ensuring the safety of both EU and British citizens near the border. The ball has been in the UK's court all of 2019 as May tried to get her Deal through parliament, and as far as the EU is concerned they're still waiting for the UK to grow up and start acting like a big boy nation, and stop wasting time prodding at things in its potty...

The EU is a political project as much as an economic one (amazing how Brexiters forget that seeing as it's often cited as the major point of contention with membership) and there's no political will to give special preference to a departing member over protecting the interests of the remaining 27, hence there won't be some magic Corbynesque 'close alignment to' or 'access to' the single market etc. whilst still allowing the utopian Brexit dream of independent trade deals with all corners of the globe (many of which we already have now through the EU at far more preferential terms than we'll be able to get alone).

So yes, 'no deal' hurts them in an economic sense too (though not to the catastrophic levels we'll experience here), but caving in and either granting us some sort of continued access to markets we'll have no right to access, or failing to protect one of their member's acute interest on their suddenly-appearing border, is essentially the first step towards the complete dissolution of the European project.
So ok they kick us out they will suffer on Tariffs too.......
 
Well 25% of their hotel rooms would be empty. GB tourism contributes over 13bn euro's to Spain's economy.

You can count the tourist industry among those who think the no deal Brexit you advocate will be rubbish, and that's not because of a lack of trade deal, it's because of currency devaluation and border issues.

 
No deal will hurt them too they have to realise we voted out democratically.....Mays agreement parts of it need changing the balls in their court....

Best just have another democratic vote then with the full details available to all to be sure yes? And also this time ensure the Leave side sticks to election law maybe?

And it's not May's deal it's the agreed position of the UK and EU (after a couple of years of negotiations) x
 
Best just have another democratic vote then with the full details available to all to be sure yes? And also this time ensure the Leave side sticks to election law maybe?

And it's not May's deal it's the agreed position of the UK and EU (after a couple of years of negotiations) x
That's what will happen after a GE.....
 
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