Current Affairs EU In or Out

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    Votes: 688 67.9%
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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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“The government has announced an extra £2.1bn of funding to prepare for a no-deal Brexit - doubling the amount of money it has set aside this year.

The plans include more border force officers and upgrades to transport infrastructure at ports.

There will also be more money to ease traffic congestion in Kent and tackle queues created by delays at the border.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell described the plans as "an appalling waste of taxpayers' cash".

And the £39b 'divorce settlement' wouldn't be?
 
“The government has announced an extra £2.1bn of funding to prepare for a no-deal Brexit - doubling the amount of money it has set aside this year.

The plans include more border force officers and upgrades to transport infrastructure at ports.

There will also be more money to ease traffic congestion in Kent and tackle queues created by delays at the border.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell described the plans as "an appalling waste of taxpayers' cash".

And the £39b 'divorce settlement' wouldn't be?

Ffs, the 'divorce settlement' is an absurd label to put on what is basically our contribution to the EU for the duration of our continued membership of it. No more, no less. Leave voters like to take great umbrage at suggestions that they don't understand things and have been misled, yet continue to get such basic things wrong.
 
Ffs, the 'divorce settlement' is an absurd label to put on what is basically our contribution to the EU for the duration of our continued membership of it. No more, no less. Leave voters like to take great umbrage at suggestions that they don't understand things and have been misled, yet continue to get such basic things wrong.
Divorce settlement wasn't my term, which is why it was quoted
 
Pete, I think we could enjoy a few pints and conclude with different views remaining intact as well as friendship.

Believe me that I am giving my view with a lot of serious experience.

The Commonwealth will not be capable of taking the levels of UK exports at the price that UK exporters are accustomed.

Tell UK exporters that their future market is the Commonwealth as opposed to the EU 27/8 ?? Guaranteed Euro as opposed to......

Australia and New Zealand have long ago left the Mother ship so where are your price viable markets??

I’m sure that I would enjoy a few pints with you. I appreciate that the commonwealth could not make up the difference if we suddenly lost sales to the EU, but trade with the EU will not suddenly stop. Supply chains are far too complicated for that to happen.The U.K. is also in a good position to be creative based on the fact that the EU sells a great deal more to us than we do to them. The U.K. government could support exporters to the EU by covering any export tariffs for them using the larger import tariffs collected from EU imports. I know the rates will be different for different products but the trade imbalance is so great that at worst we would break even. I’ve never seen improved links to the commonwealth as a replacement for the EU but as an additional market that we can help formulate and improve.....
 
Ffs, the 'divorce settlement' is an absurd label to put on what is basically our contribution to the EU for the duration of our continued membership of it. No more, no less. Leave voters like to take great umbrage at suggestions that they don't understand things and have been misled, yet continue to get such basic things wrong.
I am well aware that the UK has an obligation to pay what was agreed upon in the EU's budget before the referendum result, but in future that is money that can be used in the UK, rather than across Europe. If that makes me an ignorant leaver then I bow to your superior knowledge.
 
I’m sure that I would enjoy a few pints with you. I appreciate that the commonwealth could not make up the difference if we suddenly lost sales to the EU, but trade with the EU will not suddenly stop. Supply chains are far too complicated for that to happen.The U.K. is also in a good position to be creative based on the fact that the EU sells a great deal more to us than we do to them. The U.K. government could support exporters to the EU by covering any export tariffs for them using the larger import tariffs collected from EU imports. I know the rates will be different for different products but the trade imbalance is so great that at worst we would break even. I’ve never seen improved links to the commonwealth as a replacement for the EU but as an additional market that we can help formulate and improve.....

I don't get this argument Pete. Tesco sell far more to me than I do to them, but that doesn't mean I have a great deal of power in that relationship. Quite the opposite in fact. Ask your farming buddy how we would feel about OPEC playing silly buggers with oil prices and the power relationship between Britain and them because we buy most of our oil from abroad.

With regards to supply chains. Yes, they are complicated, and they're also heavily interconnected, which is why the EU has been so beneficial because they make that connectivity of both supply chains and human capital so straightforward. I'm not sure Brexiters, and with respect yourself too, get that as all you ever hear about are trade deals and tariffs, when so much of the world today relies on things that usually aren't included in tariffs.

Indeed, the various no deal emergency procedures to keep planes flying, nuclear material moving, criminal data available and so on are all prime examples of non-tariff barriers that are hugely important to a global society. Given the fool Johnson made of himself when trying to bluster his way through the GATT document with Andrew Neil, do you honestly believe he has the first clue about these things?
 
I think our EU contributions went up by about £3Bn this year just because our economy grew. It beggars belief.
I think you and I (I'm also Pete btw) should just accept that we are wrong and the remainers are right, Pete.

For what it's worth, despite being a leaver, I'd sooner have another referendum than align ourselves with the USA! I have American relatives and like all of the Americans I have met, but the Government, as like all countries, is something else.
 
I am well aware that the UK has an obligation to pay what was agreed upon in the EU's budget before the referendum result, but in future that is money that can be used in the UK, rather than across Europe. If that makes me an ignorant leaver then I bow to your superior knowledge.

Well there are plenty of examples both at home and abroad to illustrate this point well. Brexiters like talking about the war, so consider the aftermath of WW1, where Germany was punished, and WW2 where Germany was rebuilt, despite calls for money to be spent at home rather than there. A rising tide lifts all boats, y'know?

It's the same domestically. There are parts of the country that generate much of the wealth in the UK, and it's only right that this money is distributed so that the whole country benefits. This then feeds back into the success of the wealth generating parts. It's exactly the same across Europe, as investment into regions such as Poland has helped their economy greatly, and those regions then become more active members of the European economy, which benefits everyone.

The Esk repeatedly posted in the runup to the referendum data showing the financial benefit of EU membership, and it was a few hundred billion from memory, which is no bad return on our membership contribution imo.
 
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