Current Affairs EU In or Out

[bizzaro]

How are those sausages coming along.....

As well as the missing 6% from your statistics Francis.

Sums up your knowledge of economics and business.

 

[peteblue]

It's historical data presented to provide evidence of precedent.

I'd have been impressed if it was one week-old data with a three month forecast ......

 

[peteblue]

As well as the missing 6% from your statistics Francis.

Sums up your knowledge of economics and business.

If you check your facts, you will see it was not me that had the 6% missing, it was another poster. But don't let actual facts get in the way of your story.......You can apologise at your leisure.......

 

[bizzaro]

Dont think he is to be honest,
dont think he has ever said it would be any other way , other than after a while it will settle down and business will carry on doing what it always does making money and deals.
Its just as dangerous to stay in with the debt levels of the EU everyone seems to have turned a blind eye to all of a sudden if say Greece goes tits up .
Anyway lets keep it cival its been a decent threat on the whole.

I can tell you Edge, that its costing/has costed real companies real money since last week already.

These impacts won't be seen for a few months yet. His comments about Slovakia and his other views are repugnant and pig ignorant.

His economic views are pure fantasy.

 

[bizzaro]

If you check your facts, you will see it was not me that had the 6% missing, it was another poster. But don't let actual facts get in the way of your story.......

Yet you quoted those figures.

Your sums do not add up mate. At all.

 

[peteblue]

Yet you quoted those figures.

Your sums do not add up mate. At all.

Read the thread.......mind that the sausages don't burn though.......

 

[JammyP]

Do you think we don't now how democracy works?

So you're an expert, eh? Great, tell us more.

And tell us how you've used your history degree. Fascinating that you're up there with Rees Mogg.

Dear Old Blue

If you look at the post I was responding to, Joey 66 said "The new PM will trigger it legal challenge or not, the referendrum according to the latest UK law according to the great historian Jacob Rees Mogg is the last constitution law is binding!"

I understood that to be an assertion that Ress Mogg is saying the referendum is binding. Joey (a fine poster on the old Everon pics) seemed to regard it as significant that he is a historian and in a position to discuss constitutional law. He is the first, not the second. I am both (though he probably has a much better history degree than me.

I was trying to help Joey - and you - to understand what most lawyers I know about think the legal position is.

I am not saying it is right. Same as the advice I would give any client, it is what it is.

I certainly would not suggest having any qualifications makes me a better voter than anyone else, or a better contributor to this forum. I cited mine only because Joey relied on what Jacob Rees Mogg thinks, and seems to regard his qulifications as important.

I would not try to gut a fish. I would not operate on my children's teeth. I am confident there will be many things you can do which I cannot. Society works by people having different skills. You may rember Gove on Sky News Michael Gove refused to name any economists who back Britain’s exit from the European Union, saying that “people in this country have had enough of experts”.

Good luck to you if you get your car fixed by a potter.

You are not the only person who feels strongly about this. Nearly half the voters did not support leaving. But we live in a democracy.

Don't be so flaming rude. It weakens your arguments.

 

[Old Blue 2]

LOL - I don't expect you to take my word for it mate - have a look at this study from the BoE and the correlation of economic performance and shocks. There's no supposition at all, it's all backed by evidence.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarterlybulletin/2014/qb14q206.pdf

Didn't read all of it, but it may be summarised as a statement of the bleedin' obvious.

Here's a wonderful statement:
"A frequently used approach in macroeconomics to deal with
this issue of identification of shocks is a vector autoregression
(VAR).
This approach allows a high degree of interconnectedness
— or endogeneity — meaning that all
the variables can, in principle, be affected by each other."

In layman's terms, changes in trading worldwide affects trading in the UK; financial movement in the world money markets results in financial movements in the UK.

Well cut off me legs and call me shorty, I never realised that before...

 

[edge]

There is problems due to non homogenous economic issues - that have benefitted Germany to the detriment of other countries.

I think the Germany obsession with not handing over economic competence to the ECB has been a real problem.

Equally - having the head of the commission an ex Luxemberg PM with a notorious issue with alcohol - has not helped matters.

Historically the UK would have had a veto on his appointment. It should have still had.

That ex Luxembourg pm has a history of allowing some of the most shoddy tax avoidance schemes to operate in his country and he encourage them as well just shows how bent that organisation is that he is the leader, he is an enemy of the common people of Europe.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Facts?

52/42?

What happened to the other 6%, Blue?

Did they vote "Don't know"?

Typo, Khal. The curse of fast fingers, or in my case, the fingers not following what the brain tells them to do!

52/48 it is. I stand corrected..

 

[The Esk]

Didn't read all of it, but it may be summarised as a statement of the bleedin' obvious.

Totally agree - economic shocks are bad for economies. This is the biggest shock since the oil crisis of the 1970's - and we've no obvious way of engineering a recovery.

 

[peteblue]

Dear Old Blue

If you look at the post I was responding to, Joey 66 said "The new PM will trigger it legal challenge or not, the referendrum according to the latest UK law according to the great historian Jacob Rees Mogg is the last constitution law is binding!"

I understood that to be an assertion that Ress Mogg is saying the referendum is binding. Joey (a fine poster on the old Everon pics) seemed to regard it as significant that he is a historian and in a position to discuss constitutional law. He is the first, not the second. I am both (though he probably has a much better history degree than me.

I was trying to help Joey - and you - to understand what most lawyers I know about think the legal position is.

I am not saying it is right. Same as the advice I would give any client, it is what it is.

I certainly would not suggest having any qualifications makes me a better voter than anyone else, or a better contributor to this forum. I cited mine only because Joey relied on what Jacob Rees Mogg thinks, and seems to regard his qulifications as important.

I would not try to gut a fish. I would not operate on my children's teeth. I am confident there will be many things you can do which I cannot. Society works by people having different skills. You may rember Gove on Sky News Michael Gove refused to name any economists who back Britain’s exit from the European Union, saying that “people in this country have had enough of experts”.

Good luck to you if you get your car fixed by a potter.

You are not the only person who feels strongly about this. Nearly half the voters did not support leaving. But we live in a democracy.

Don't be so flaming rude. It weakens your arguments.

At least we are all agreed that there are quite a few well informed and well educated people on both sides of the argument.......apart from Bizzaro obviously......

 

[Rob17896]

Let what slide? "It is not the only reason peace has been sustained. But the EU has been, and I hope will remain, a force for the good in terms of prolonging peace"
And I did mean to include the historic EEC and the common market (and the European Coal and Steel Community for that matter) when I used the careless shorthand of "EU".
I do think giving the EU's states a platform to bicker with each other, and to promote trade, and free movment, has encouraged peaceful coexistence. Is that so radical?
Of course NATO and the balance of destructive forces on either side of the Iron Curtain also played their huge part in avoiding war in most of Europe.But nowhere has fallen apart like Yugoslavia, or been invaded like Crimea, in the EU, has it?
I am not as naive as you seem to think. And I doubt if you are as naive as your knee jerk response might suggest.
Anyway, obvously the lower Gwladys is the place to be. I hope we can agree on that as a basis for going forward

Lo

Better in the EU than out just one point The amount of grants for merseyside. and other parts of the uk
Will that continue. Under The. Far right.. i dont think so
https://www.theguardian.com/law/201...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Made the same point ages ago and certain leavers were 'what money'? If you don't notice what is going on in your own city...
The EU places funds in areas that need a lift. You would not believe the amount of small business funding backed by the EU. EFG guarantees for bank loans and equity and loan funds administered by a variety of UK funders. If anybody expects this will continue under a right wing government think again. The next Tory leader will be nice to the North for a while and then they will get the boot once we are out. Then they have got us good and proper. Little America we are and it will get worse. We will have segregated bars like New Orleans next.

 

[Old Blue 2]

No mate, I'm a proud socialist and always will be, but I know when companies warn of changing conditions and challenges, earnings fall and the economy suffers - they are lead indicators, as a result the poorest and most needy disproportionately.

I did not lump you in that category, for the simple fact I am unaware of your employment. But if you are in that field...

Maybe we should not criticise the big bankers, and Captains of industry, who make a total balls of things and then receive massive bonuses for doing so. Maybe we should just keep our mouths shut and say nothing. That would suit that cartel of rich people down to the ground...

 

[peteblue]

Typo, Khal. The curse of fast fingers, or in my case, the fingers not following what the brain tells them to do!

52/48 it is. I stand corrected..

Don't tell Bizzaro, he thinks I did it......