Current Affairs EU In or Out

[neil999]

What would that solve though mate? We'd likely end up with a similar situation parliament wise to what we have now and be no further along. It would probably be a horrendously low turn out too.

would force parties hands to choose policies on 2nd ref etc

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

cant see any way through this except a general election...

It's been the case since the morning of 09/06/2017, the Tories have been playing and stalling for time ever since, majority majority majority, is the only way out of this!

 

[Khalekan]

If nothing else cones from this entire fiasco I hope we reform parliament. Our antiquated system is an utter shambles. The "debates" that happen in both houses would be an embarrassment to a school's debating society. It's nothing but a old boys network full of self-satsified, smug little cretins.

I think the first reform should be PR.

I bitterly regret voting against it when they had that Referendum a few years ago.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I think the first reform should be PR.

I bitterly regret voting against it when they had that Referendum a few years ago.

That's the Lib Dems for you, once led the charge to modernise UK democracy ,however, had whiff of power and bent overbackwards and traded off any principle they could for scaps of power in coalition.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

would force parties hands to choose policies on 2nd ref etc

Maybe. Or they could all just lie through their teeth during the election campaign and then go back on all their pledges once in office like they normally do....

 

[neil999]

Maybe. Or they could all just lie through their teeth during the election campaign and then go back on all their pledges once in office like they normally do....

oh balls, i forgot they all do that....the other difference of course will be brexit party standing candidates

 

[Amw79]

I would be interested to know what would have to happen in the event of a no deal for Brexiphiles to maybe consider that it was a bad move.

We’re now hearing that 2% shrinking of GDP is acceptable and they knew all along that would happen. The Pound is extremely weak, and would no doubt weaken further in a no deal - what’s acceptable there?

Never mind the fact that Brexit was supposed to be good for the country, and now the line is that 18 months of economic contraction is what we all knew would happen.

But what would it take for Brexiphiles to change their mind? What damage to the economy, businesses, jobs etc is too much?

 

[roydo]

I would be interested to know what would have to happen in the event of a no deal for Brexiphiles to maybe consider that it was a bad move.

We’re now hearing that 2% shrinking of GDP is acceptable and they knew all along that would happen. The Pound is extremely weak, and would no doubt weaken further in a no deal - what’s acceptable there?

Never mind the fact that Brexit was supposed to be good for the country, and now the line is that 18 months of economic contraction is what we all knew would happen.

But what would it take for Brexiphiles to change their mind? What damage to the economy, businesses, jobs etc is too much?

Well the couldnt care less racists couldnt care less.

The unfortunates with little to lose anyrate couldnt be any worse off.

The gammons with no skin in the game wouldnt notice unless the pound weakening affected their cruises. But, cut their pensions to help pay for the economic support needed, then you will find your answer.

 

[Amw79]

Well the couldnt care less racists couldnt care less.

The unfortunates with little to lose anyrate couldnt be any worse off.

The gammons with no skin in the game wouldnt notice unless the pound weakening affected their cruises. But, cut their pensions to help pay for the economic support needed, then you will find your answer.

Good response.

But if the racists lost their jobs, would that change things?

If the unfortunates lost what little they have and ended up with nothing, would that change minds?

I have really grave worries about no deal Brexit, but will be delighted if I’m wrong, and will happily admit my error to anyone who’ll listen if things turn out much better than currently predicted.

But I’m pondering what it would take for the hardcore Brexit lot to admit it if things turn out badly?

 

[roydo]

Good response.

But if the racists lost their jobs, would that change things?

If the unfortunates lost what little they have and ended up with nothing, would that change minds?

I have really grave worries about no deal Brexit, but will be delighted if I’m wrong, and will happily admit my error to anyone who’ll listen if things turn out much better than currently predicted.

But I’m pondering what it would take for the hardcore Brexit lot to admit it if things turn out badly?

They will blame the remainers/sensible ones that cos it was all delayed, and they messed it up, so its their fault the unicorns are donkeys.

 

[Amw79]

They will blame the remainers/sensible ones that cos it was all delayed, and they messed it up, so its their fault the unicorns are donkeys.

Yeah, which is probably why Boris / No Deal is the “best” option, as anything else allows the “this isn’t proper Brexit” argument.

I think it has to burn to the ground before anyone considers it might have been a unicorn they bought.

Unless I’m wrong, and we will soon move into the glorious land of milk and honey.

 

[roydo]

Yeah, which is probably why Boris / No Deal is the “best” option, as anything else allows the “this isn’t proper Brexit” argument.

I think it has to burn to the ground before anyone considers it might have been a unicorn they bought.

Unless I’m wrong, and we will soon move into the glorious land of milk and honey.

They have painted themselves into a corner. Will blame everyone but those who voted for something no one had a clue about, so will now casually accept that the PM in waiting has admitted on air, live, that he has not got the faintest idea about a key paragraph in some document will not allow his using of the previous paragraph to "Deliver Brexit", which renders his master plan, useless.

 

[Khalekan]

Well the couldnt care less racists couldnt care less.

The unfortunates with little to lose anyrate couldnt be any worse off.

The gammons with no skin in the game wouldnt notice unless the pound weakening affected their cruises. But, cut their pensions to help pay for the economic support needed, then you will find your answer.

My experience of life has taught me that no matter how bad things are at any particular time, they can always take a turn for the worse.

And the renewed austerity which is bound to happen in no deal Brexitannia will no doubt contrive to make their already wretched lives even worse.

 

[Khalekan]

Yeah, which is probably why Boris / No Deal is the “best” option, as anything else allows the “this isn’t proper Brexit” argument.

I think it has to burn to the ground before anyone considers it might have been a unicorn they bought.

Unless I’m wrong, and we will soon move into the glorious land of milk and honey.

I think “sunlit uplands” was the popular term at the time.

 

[roydo]

My experience of life has taught me that no matter how bad things are at any particular time, they can always take a turn for the worse.

And the renewed austerity which is bound to happen in no deal Brexitannia will no doubt contrive to make their already wretched lives even worse.

Oh sure. Point I was making was to try to group leavers into a few unscientific groupings, and the disenfranchised/ignored may well have voted leave cos live is pretty crap as it is. But you can bet your bottom dollar that when/if things do get worse for them, they wont blame Brexit.