Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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I wonder when the UK will really 'take back control'. Obviously, the UK can't 'take back control' over who to appoint as the UK Ambassador is to the US. The UK can't 'take back control' over Trump interfering in UK politics over Brexit 'I told her what should be done'. Where is 'shut up' Williamson when he's needed. Trump's angle is always the same 'do as you are told, or else'. I await with bated breathe for a 'strong and determined' response from HMG.
 
Brexiters are less Walter Raleigh than Ned Ludd.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, Brucie, but didn't Walter Raleigh go out into brave new worlds, and weren't Luddites resistant to change? Basically, the polar opposite to what you say!

After what you said above, you should retire to a neutral corner... and retire!!!
 
Correct me if I'm wrong here, Brucie, but didn't Walter Raleigh go out into brave new worlds, and weren't Luddites resistant to change? Basically, the polar opposite to what you say!

After what you said above, you should retire to a neutral corner... and retire!!!
I always find it funny when brexiters portray themselves as embarking on a brave new exciting journey, after being part of a vote led by archaic notions of nationalism and xenophobia.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong here, Brucie, but didn't Walter Raleigh go out into brave new worlds, and weren't Luddites resistant to change? Basically, the polar opposite to what you say!

After what you said above, you should retire to a neutral corner... and retire!!!

That was kind of my point. On here Brexiters like to portray themselves as buccaneers, but they're more akin to an old bloke smashing up his loom. Or do you honestly think the people of Scunthorpe want to leave the EU so that Chinese steel companies can enter British markets unrestricted? Whether it's overseas competition, migrants taking jobs or technological advances, the majority of Brexiters want to stop them. It's protectionism, plain and simple.
 
Fintan O’Toole: A spiffing tale of how Brexit was ‘spaffed’ away
Chris Cook’s book paints UK swing to political and administrative incompetence

The word of the moment in England seems to be “spaff” or its variants, “spaffed” and “spaffing”. The Oxford English Dictionary, even in its regularly updated online version, has not caught up with it yet, but it is nonetheless fashionable in political and media discourse.
When words bubble up from obscurity like this, they often tell us something about the Zeitgeist, and spaffing is very Brexity.
It is a public schoolboy term for male ejaculation. One of the earliest examples I can find in print is from an account in the Telegraph of a visit to a sperm bank: “I decided to spaff into a cup back in 2014.” It has since come to mean any form of careless waste.
Cook’s book is the first coherent account we have of the Brexit negotiations as seen by the politicians and civil servants involved on the British side
Old Etonian Boris Johnson speaks, with exquisite bad taste, of money spent on police probes into historical child abuse allegations being “spaffed up the wall”. It seems apt, both that English public discourse would need a word to describe the pleasures of pointless self-abuse and that it would find it in the puerile vocabulary of its male elite.
I find a particularly interesting example, though, in Chris Cook’s riveting new account of how the British screwed up their negotiations with the EU, Defeated by Brexit. It is January 2017 and it is finally dawning on Theresa May and those around her that the Irish/UK Border really is a problem.
May’s joint chief of staff Fiona Hill instructs Britain’s most senior civil servant, the cabinet secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood, to commission experts to come up with technological solutions. Her actual instruction is: “spaff some money on some geeks”. Eloquent in so many ways.
 
Fintan O’Toole: A spiffing tale of how Brexit was ‘spaffed’ away
Chris Cook’s book paints UK swing to political and administrative incompetence

The word of the moment in England seems to be “spaff” or its variants, “spaffed” and “spaffing”. The Oxford English Dictionary, even in its regularly updated online version, has not caught up with it yet, but it is nonetheless fashionable in political and media discourse.
When words bubble up from obscurity like this, they often tell us something about the Zeitgeist, and spaffing is very Brexity.
It is a public schoolboy term for male ejaculation. One of the earliest examples I can find in print is from an account in the Telegraph of a visit to a sperm bank: “I decided to spaff into a cup back in 2014.” It has since come to mean any form of careless waste.

Old Etonian Boris Johnson speaks, with exquisite bad taste, of money spent on police probes into historical child abuse allegations being “spaffed up the wall”. It seems apt, both that English public discourse would need a word to describe the pleasures of pointless self-abuse and that it would find it in the puerile vocabulary of its male elite.
I find a particularly interesting example, though, in Chris Cook’s riveting new account of how the British screwed up their negotiations with the EU, Defeated by Brexit. It is January 2017 and it is finally dawning on Theresa May and those around her that the Irish/UK Border really is a problem.
May’s joint chief of staff Fiona Hill instructs Britain’s most senior civil servant, the cabinet secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood, to commission experts to come up with technological solutions. Her actual instruction is: “spaff some money on some geeks”. Eloquent in so many ways.

Does this book have stories of Corbyn and Czech spies in it? Asking for a friend.
 
It's perhaps a semantic point to an extent, but I could very much accept the notion that remainers are (relatively) content with things as they are, but I'd argue that 'things as they are' is a pretty rapidly changing landscape, with new technologies and newly emerging economies changing things significantly. I don't get the sense that the people of Scunthorpe want to leave the EU so that their steel workers can be exposed to more competition but so they can be insulated from competition. I suspect you and I are both broadly speaking free market advocates, so we can perhaps agree that this isn't ideal, but I don't see anything emerging from Brexit advocates about how people in Scunthorpe can better adapt to the world they find themselves in.

It seems summed up to an extent by a mind numbing exchange between James O'Brien and a caller the other day, in which the caller was from a tech company and voted to leave because he thought the EU was holding them back, which is fair enough. Sadly, when asked to explain how this was happening, he just blathered out nonsense about sovereignty and control and all the meaningless soundbites that have so dominated the discourse from leave advocates. Far be it for me to dismiss those things, but they aren't going to put food on the table, yet that's all we have, and Johnson has seemed to deliberately avoid saying anything vaguely resembling a policy (at least for the working class Brexiters rather than the wealthy ones like yourself).

The discussion has become so dumbed down I fear the country is at risk of slipping into a stupor.

The Scunthorpe type questions need to be addressed, not because of Brexit but because older type manufacturing needs to be reviewed. I personally believe steelworks to be a national asset and should be protected anyway, but it doesn’t matter what other industry we talk about, if there is a natural lifespan then in/out of EU is irrelevant. The EU is built on protectionism, but this unfortunately discourages growth as the decisions to invest in the next product/industry lifecycle are always delayed/put off. Brexit May feel uncomfortable, but our country will reap the benefits, and I mean the country not the already wealthy.....
 
The Scunthorpe type questions need to be addressed, not because of Brexit but because older type manufacturing needs to be reviewed. I personally believe steelworks to be a national asset and should be protected anyway, but it doesn’t matter what other industry we talk about, if there is a natural lifespan then in/out of EU is irrelevant. The EU is built on protectionism, but this unfortunately discourages growth as the decisions to invest in the next product/industry lifecycle are always delayed/put off. Brexit May feel uncomfortable, but our country will reap the benefits, and I mean the country not the already wealthy.....
Whilst you espouse this palpable bullshine try working for an old industry and See What will happen to you and your life when the protective ring of the EU fades away and all you have to look forward to is your P45, your next assessment for Universal Benefit withdrawal, and the inevitable family break up.

I have yet to see one single benefit of this brave new world post Brexit. It is all hyperbole and bluster. We do not live in an academic world, where we can experiment with people's lives. There is no British Empire to exploit, no shining white knight to undo this farce, the cold facts of life apply and i am not prepared to sacrifice my fellow citizens at the altar of naked greed of the rich who will benefit.

Let's just look at one such example ... Dyson, that great patriot who encouraged his workers to vote Leave and then promptly set up in Singapore - a country with a trade free relationship with the EU. the rats are abandoning the sinking ship and the gullible few meekly accept their fate or swallow the bull hook, line and sinker.

The great states of protectionism include the US and PRC, the EU looks after itself, thank God.
 
I always find it funny when brexiters portray themselves as embarking on a brave new exciting journey, after being part of a vote led by archaic notions of nationalism and xenophobia.

I always find it funny when Remainers portray themselves as knowing everything, and knowing everything correctly...
 
That was kind of my point. On here Brexiters like to portray themselves as buccaneers, but they're more akin to an old bloke smashing up his loom.

"...That was kind of my point..." No it wasn't! Not for one second. Who do you think you are kidding??? You totally balls'd up you point. Admit it, for the first time in your life...

I do believe the French call what you have done 'volte-face'...

You really are hilarious! Obviously don't know the military advice of 'Never reinforce failure'.
 
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