Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Khalekan]

Despite what our self interested right wing press blurt out for Brexiteers to regurgitate up and down the country, such as that Europe is moving in populist right coup, Denmark moves further to the centre left as they finally form a Center left government...

Denmark's youngest prime minister to lead new leftist government

Mette Frederiksen’s Social Democratic party forms minority government

www.theguardian.com

Delighted at this news.

The negotiations mirrored the way Brigitte Nyborg came to power in Borgen

 

[Frang]

Yes, it was published yesterday, but it's quite probable that it has been analyzing the period from 2016. I'm not sure to be honest. Perhaps you know?

these being the most important words in this paragraph...

otherwise meaning , 'I don't actually know'

nice one

 

[Bruce Wayne]

these being the most important words in this paragraph...

otherwise meaning , 'I don't actually know'

nice one

You can read it if you want Frank. The thing is, you never do.

 

[Frang]

You can read it if you want Frank. The thing is, you never do.

not. interested.

I like reading some of your stuff though

 

[Bruce Wayne]

not. interested.

I like reading some of your stuff though

Which is half the problem. The UCL scorecard attempts to draw consensus between leave and remain camps. To find common ground if you like.

Although the two sides disagreed vehemently about whether we should remain in the EU, there was considerable common ground about what we should be seeking to achieve as a country by either remaining or leaving. Generally, both sides argued that the UK should remain an open, outward-looking country; that both economic growth and social cohesion mattered; that we should invest in, and improve, our public services; and that we needed to maintain the UK’s international influence, especially over security matters, while preserving democratic control of our own destiny.

So they devised the four tests to rank progress against:

1. The economy and the public finances:Would Brexit make the country better off? The economic costs and benefits of Brexit were hotly contested during the campaign. This debate generated at least as much heat as light. But any assessment of the actual Brexit deal and its impacts must of course focus squarely on the economy. As the Chancellor Philip Hammond put it, nobody voted for (or indeed against) Brexit to make us poorer. We argued, uncontroversially at the time, that a successful Brexit would be one that made us better off overall.

2. Fairness: Within the aggregate story of what happens to the economy, the distributional consequences of Brexit also matter enormously. Economic integration creates winners and losers. Would Brexit help some of those individuals and communities who have not benefited from growth over the past 30 years? The referendum campaign crystallised a view that many people had been ‘left behind’ by the relative success of the UK economy since we joined the EU. This reflected, of course, not just EU membership but also globalisation more generally, and both technological and social change. A successful Brexit would be one that helped those who had done worst and that promoted opportunity and social mobility for all but particularly for the most disadvantaged. Again, since we drew up the tests, this narrative has been emphasised across the political divides.

3. Openness: The UK has a long and well-established consensus, across the political spectrum, in favour of free trade and open markets as a means to greater prosperity. But openness also has consequences for fairness. Different forms of Brexit imply different degrees of economic integration with the EU. Although the public clearly supports greater restrictions on immigration, both campaigns argued that the UK should remain open to the ‘brightest and best’, including skilled workers and foreign students. A successful Brexit would be one that maintained and enhanced the UK’s position as an open economy and society.

4. Control: Would Brexit enhance the democratic control the British people exercise over their own economic destiny? It is a defining feature of complex modern societies that we delegate many important political and economic decisions such as economic regulation, environmental control and even security decisions to bodies that may seem remote and unaccountable. The EU is perhaps the ultimate manifestation of this phenomenon for many. But control is not just about the formal sovereignty of Westminster, but more broadly whether individuals and communities feel that they have a genuine say in the decisions that affect them. A successful Brexit would be one that genuinely increased citizens’ control over their own lives.

Do you disagree with any of those?

 

[Frang]

Which is half the problem. The UCL scorecard attempts to draw consensus between leave and remain camps. To find common ground if you like.



So they devised the four tests to rank progress against:

1. The economy and the public finances:Would Brexit make the country better off? The economic costs and benefits of Brexit were hotly contested during the campaign. This debate generated at least as much heat as light. But any assessment of the actual Brexit deal and its impacts must of course focus squarely on the economy. As the Chancellor Philip Hammond put it, nobody voted for (or indeed against) Brexit to make us poorer. We argued, uncontroversially at the time, that a successful Brexit would be one that made us better off overall.

2. Fairness: Within the aggregate story of what happens to the economy, the distributional consequences of Brexit also matter enormously. Economic integration creates winners and losers. Would Brexit help some of those individuals and communities who have not benefited from growth over the past 30 years? The referendum campaign crystallised a view that many people had been ‘left behind’ by the relative success of the UK economy since we joined the EU. This reflected, of course, not just EU membership but also globalisation more generally, and both technological and social change. A successful Brexit would be one that helped those who had done worst and that promoted opportunity and social mobility for all but particularly for the most disadvantaged. Again, since we drew up the tests, this narrative has been emphasised across the political divides.

3. Openness: The UK has a long and well-established consensus, across the political spectrum, in favour of free trade and open markets as a means to greater prosperity. But openness also has consequences for fairness. Different forms of Brexit imply different degrees of economic integration with the EU. Although the public clearly supports greater restrictions on immigration, both campaigns argued that the UK should remain open to the ‘brightest and best’, including skilled workers and foreign students. A successful Brexit would be one that maintained and enhanced the UK’s position as an open economy and society.

4. Control: Would Brexit enhance the democratic control the British people exercise over their own economic destiny? It is a defining feature of complex modern societies that we delegate many important political and economic decisions such as economic regulation, environmental control and even security decisions to bodies that may seem remote and unaccountable. The EU is perhaps the ultimate manifestation of this phenomenon for many. But control is not just about the formal sovereignty of Westminster, but more broadly whether individuals and communities feel that they have a genuine say in the decisions that affect them. A successful Brexit would be one that genuinely increased citizens’ control over their own lives.

Do you disagree with any of those?

thing is though bruce none of us actually know what will happen.

was very interesting to hear Hunt on vine before …. he voted to remain. but after seeing how the economy has done since this news and after looking into the details through business reports , Hunt would now vote to leave ...

 

[orchard]

thing is though bruce none of us actually know what will happen.

was very interesting to hear Hunt on vine before …. he voted to remain. but after seeing how the economy has done since this news and after looking into the details through business reports , Hunt would now vote to leave ...

Yea, when he eventually realised that the nhs would have to be opened up if a US deal was to be struck and numptys would still vote for that.

 

[peteblue]

Peter, Mr. Varadkar has played an excellent innings, doing what he is duty bound to do under the terms of the GFA....look after the interests of the Irish people, north and south.

Which is a darn sight more than can be said about the British government, which does not give one flg about the citizens of the region of the United Kingdom with most to lose from Brexit....Northern Ireland.

The majority of the people over there are opposed to leaving the EU.....they voted comfortably to Remain,

The majority of the people over there want the Backstop....they demonstrated that most emphatically at the European Election by returning two Remaim MEPs out of three.

So instead of the British government disregarding the wishes of the majority of people in NI and letting a miniority voice, the DUP, completely scuttle the sensible NI only Backstop May and Barnier agreed in November 2017, perhaps they could do the decent and correct thing and facilitate that arrangement.....which would also have the pleasant by- product for you and others of your ilk of actually have Great Britain leave the EU with a deal.

Northern Ireland is not Northern England....and the sooner the Brexit Brigade recognise that simple fact the better it will be for everyone, especially themselves.

In short, a Brexit for Great Britain is readily achievable.....a Brexit for the United Kingdom is a whole nother Brexit

Thank you for your views...

Absolute and utter tosh.

Your usual well thought through and argued response....nothing.....

Did you expect anything else from him?

Little Stevie hurling abuse from the sides again.....

 

[SteveSC]

Thank you for your views...



Your usual well thought through and argued response....nothing.....



Little Stevie hurling abuse from the sides again.....

State of this.

Adding the little really packed a punch i am so hurt.

Did you get your name calling tips from Trump?

 

[peteblue]

State of this.

Adding the little really packed a punch i am so hurt.

Did you get your name calling tips from Trump?

No my little friend, I’m pretty good at weighing people up. There are those that do, those that don’t and those who just join in from the side.........

 

[SteveSC]

No my little friend, I’m pretty good at weighing people up. There are those that do, those that don’t and those who just join in from the side.........

Congratulations you can read good for you

 

[Khalekan]

Thank you for your views...

You are welcome, Peter

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

No my little friend, I’m pretty good at weighing people up. There are those that do, those that don’t and those who just join in from the side.........

Pathetic as usual......

 

[zzr45]

thing is though bruce none of us actually know what will happen.

was very interesting to hear Hunt on vine before …. he voted to remain. but after seeing how the economy has done since this news and after looking into the details through business reports , Hunt would now vote to leave ...

You get he’s saying this to get more votes in the Tory leadership campaign right?

 

[Frang]

You get he’s saying this to get more votes in the Tory leadership campaign right?

oh so people lie to make their version of Brexit sound better , is THAT what your telling me.

its EXACTLY what im getting at

thanks