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The election is on Monday Frank?
Frang
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just getting people warmed up bruce
That's the stuff Frank. Gee them up so that Monday is a day to remember.
Do you really believe the EU tried to brow beat leavers?
From this far away viewpoint, it looks like the EU have, for the most part, stood back and let the UK try to figure it out.
Kinda like a parent quietly standing there in the supermarket while their kid has a melt down, rolling around on the floor in the dairy aisle.
Barnfred 55
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Your analogy is not far away from the truth actually, but not quite in the way you meant.
The EU have indeed acted like a parent. This is what you're getting. You can scream and shout as much as you want, but this is still what you're getting. Take as long as you want, we'll even give you an extension to give you more time to agree. But this is still what you're getting.
Depends on your point of view and on which side you are sitting. But some people would indeed call that brow beating.
tsubaki
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If you are in the North West, you've just voted for someone who thinks people should be able to view child abuse online, who excused away the Warrington bombing and someone who was a Marxist for twenty years.
Meltdown and dairy is a bit if a sore point today...
or, this is what we agreed, you can scream and shout all you want but this is what we agreed. You can accept what we agreed or you can reject it, just do bloody something.
hardly brow beating.
Barnfred 55
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This is what they agreed with May. Or rather this is what they told May she could have.
The problem is that May had no mandate to agree or accept those terms. As she has since found out. The EU have also insisted from the outset that the withdrawal agreement is signed before they discuss future relationships. This is a massive stumbling block to progress, all of the EUs making. Not ours.
The EU have since stood by and watched the fallout. Despite pleas from May they have not budged, knowing they can play hardball now we've taken no deal off the table.
Look, I'm not putting the blame on the EU for where we are, our own Parliament are much more culpable. But that doesn't mean that they haven't been brow beating us since the very start of negotiations. I don't even blame them for it. I blame our lot for letting them get the upper hand.
THE EU had to protect their own interests and that of their members,Ireland being the obvious one.
They were never going to sacrifice those interests in favour of giving britain a better deal.
The deal was negotiated and agreed on .
The British Govt accepted the deal.
If May cannot get the deal passed then that is her problem.
The EU was never going to make this easy for Britain
We'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of brow beating and whether the EU were or not.
I'm also not sure who would be more qualified to negotiate on the part of the UK than the democratically elected PM.
Barnfred 55
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I never expected the EU to make it easy for us. I expected them to play hardball and they have done. That's fine.
As for May accepting a deal she had no mandate to, that's another topic entirely that we aren't discussing.
What we are discussing, if I may remind you, is whether the EU have been trying to brow beat us. I think they have, and your post kind of agrees with me. So thank you.
If you agree of your own free will to accept something ,and then find yourself in a position where you you can't fulfill your side of the agreement i do not think that constitutes being brow beaten
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