Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
Status
Not open for further replies.
Bruce can you remember '24 hours to save the NHS'.......every election is riddled with lies, every referendum is the same........the people have voted......

You haven't really answered my question Pete. I didn't question that elections aren't riddled with lies, I questioned whether there was any other industry where consumers entered into binding agreements with no recourse should they have been misled.

With the outcome of the decisions made in the polling booth so significant and binding, do you not think it right and proper that we conduct campaigns based upon facts and evidence rather than blatant lies?
 
Fair enough then, you sound like your in the majority of leave voters because despite the scare stories, just as many ignorant people voted to remain as did leave.
To follow your point then, if the new incoming PM has ANY respect for Democracy regardless of what he/she voted for they will up uphold the referendum results. It's not a question of either remain or leave, it's a question of if we believe in democracy and the right's of the people to be heard or not. Its possible I suppose that they could overturn the results or possibly hold a rerun of the referendum, but I doubt it. It's to bigger risk for any PM who would hope to win another election to enraged over 17million voter's won the overall majority.

Indeed, a new PM must follow through on the democratic vote, if not then all future votes can be challenged, marched against, etc etc. The new PM may hack off a few of the more rabid remain voters by carrying through the action to leave, but will definitely hack of ALL of the 17.5M if they don't..........
 
You haven't really answered my question Pete. I didn't question that elections aren't riddled with lies, I questioned whether there was any other industry where consumers entered into binding agreements with no recourse should they have been misled.

With the outcome of the decisions made in the polling booth so significant and binding, do you not think it right and proper that we conduct campaigns based upon facts and evidence rather than blatant lies?

I absolutely do believe that campaigns must not contain lies and would like to see people prosecuted for deliberately doing so. I also note that Osborne has now changed his tune regarding an emergency budget to put up taxes and instead is offering to cut corporation tax........
 
I absolutely do believe that campaigns must not contain lies and would like to see people prosecuted for deliberately doing so. I also note that Osborne has now changed his tune regarding an emergency budget to put up taxes and instead is offering to cut corporation tax........

Ok, if we're going down the tribalist route, I'm out.
 
I absolutely do believe that campaigns must not contain lies and would like to see people prosecuted for deliberately doing so. I also note that Osborne has now changed his tune regarding an emergency budget to put up taxes and instead is offering to cut corporation tax........
But the tory majority is too slim to get it through with leavers' opposition, and labour and snp will block more austerity. You may have spotted Osbourne has had to abandon balancing the books. Where will you get the money from dear Brexiteer?
 
Come now, you have complained many times on this forum about the way the democratically elected Conservative government are behaving. You can't have it both ways :)

As an aside, can you think of any other field where a consumer (for want of a better word) follows a course of action based upon lies to then have no recourse? I don't want to get into who told bigger lies here, but the fact remains that lies were told and votes cast on the back of them. In what other field would such an arrangement be binding for the consumer?

All the stops are pulled out, by the vast majority of the media and the financial institutes, both domestically and internationally, to get the Conservatives 'democratically' elected, including turning a blind eye to their lies, constant and big. Even when the are proven after they have been elected. The Conservatives manifesto 'promises', and the hidden agenda, are not held to account the same way as Labour's are. And when people oppose what the Tories do. They are told 'it is the democratic will of the people'

'Consumerism' has nothing to do with the referendum vote. If you are talking about lies during the referendum, they are equally culpable.

The electorate voted out and the political establishment are dragging their feet, riding roughshod over those that voted to leave the EU, because they don't like the result. It seems the manta is, 'you can have democracy as long as you vote the way we want'. It appears that the 'democratic will of the people' is not really 'the democratic will of the people' because they fell for the 'lies' of the leavers. Even though, the in side equally told big lies.

Before the vote, Osbourne threatened those voting to leave with a draconian budget in an attempt to 'win' the vote. Incidentally, there was no mention in the 2015 Tory manifesto, or his last budget to lower Corporation tax. And who will pay for the tax shortfall? The working poor, the vulnerable, the disabled and poor generally.
 
Hooray! hopefully ukip will collapse now, i cant stand farage but he was very charasmatic and was very good at putting arguments across and pressing peoples buttons
 
Just like Chamberlain and his piece of paper from Munich. Good god, get off your knees and have some belief in yourself...........

Why are you making it personal?

In the coming weeks and months every possible angle will be explored by the Remain establishment to ignore the referendum result and stall on the timetable for invoking Article 50. It is likely that the next PM will be a Remainer, their cabinet is unlikely to have much of a Leave presence in it. One option available to them would be a second referendum. I'm not saying it is right.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join the Everton conversation today.
Fewer ads, full access, completely free.

🛒 Visit Shop

Support Grand Old Team by checking out our latest Everton gear!
Back
Top