You don't think this vote has legitimized racist thoughts and actions in any way? I'll say again, that was predicted prior to the referendum and dismissed as scaremongering, yet not only have those on the political extremes lauded the result, but there has also been a rise in racist incidences across the country. So those fears have been very much vindicated.
Regarding the skilled workers, you might be but surely you can see that the general climate in the country is more anti-foreigner now than it was a year ago. Whether someone is technically allowed to remain in the country, if there's a perception that someone isn't wanted then no amount of technicalities will persuade them to stay.
There has been much written about how commerce dislikes uncertainty, but the same is true at an individual level, as there has been absolutely no meat on the bones from leave campaigners about just what will happen once we leave in regards to EU citizens living and working in Britain now. You have people with mortgages and businesses that may have to leave the country, you have researchers that are being shut out of bids due to the uncertainty involved.
Regarding your final point, of course the end of western civilization is hyperbole, unquestionably. What I do think however is that the probability of unrest has increased significantly, and I said as much several times on this forum before the vote. Ireland has an increased probability of unrest. Scotland and the breakup of the Union seems to have increased in likelihood. The rise of extremist political parties has grown in probability since the election, as has the prospect of an extremist entering the White House. Whilst it's unlikely that these things will signal the end of western civilization, none of them are positive in regards to the way of life we cherish so dearly.
As for war, well history is littered with examples of wars emerging when countries have reason to hate on one another, so it seems reasonable to me that if the EU falls apart that this raises the possibility of war blighting Europe again. That's not fear mongering, that's just observing history. The whole idea of the likes of the EU and NATO was to ensure that the world is so inter-connected in terms of the flow of trade, people and information that war would be nonsensical, and it has worked in that we haven't had conflict in western-Europe since then.
You may regard this as unlikely, but we've seen in this country the rise in hate-crime against those who the nutters feel legitimized in blaming for whatever woes have befallen them. Now place yourself in a scenario whereby those nutters are actually in government, as we might have soon in places like Austria or maybe even France and America. Is that a nice picture to you? Is that a picture you see coming out well?
No I don't think a vote to leave has legitimized racist thoughts or actions in any way shape or form. The scumbags doing harm to their fellow human being's based on where they were born are beneath contempt and would of committed their vile acts at some point anyway so it's unfair to use a perfectly legitimate vote in the referendum to give them their excuse. The referendum isn't why these knuckle draggers are doing what they've done just the excuse they use and I'm sorry but I refuse to forfeit my democratic right to vote for what I believe to be right because a gang of animals abuse the result.
I don't agree the atmosphere in the country is anti foreign, just anti unskilled foreign cheep labour which is as much an abuse to the foreign unskilled worker (who is far less likely to mobilizeand fight for fair rights and pay) as it is for British workers who subsequently have more competition who are prepared to work longer, harder hours for unacceptable levels of low pay. We need to look into individual cases of people and decided on merit of they have contributed to society, I'm sure large numbers will qualify but your fooling yourself if you think all of them do. We dont actually know if anyone will have to leave the country do we?
I'm honestly sorry if anyone feels unwelcome here, that was not my intention when I voted and I believe most of the leave camp feel the same way. It's funny how you talk about being made to feel unwelcome because quite a few remainers have made it perfectly clear what they think of leavers and I can from first hand experience lots of unjust things have been thrown around and threats have been made against 'you horrible racists'. The point is I would never accuse most remainers of being like that, because I know that would be unfair to label perfectly good people as something bad because a small group of idiots have behaved in an abhorrent way.
The reason for all the uncertainty about what happens to everyone now is the Government's fault. It was their job to plan ahead for the possibility of Brexit and if they've made no plans when your anger should be directed at them. It's not the leave voters job to decide and lots of people voted for very different reasons anyway so you would find it hard to find one overriding voice. The best solution to this imo would be a second referendum not on if we are to leave (as this has been decided and to change it would be anti democratica) but on how and when we leave. That would clear a lot of things up and ease people's minds from the instability if nothing else. Also much of the instability has been caused by disgusting scaremongering by the media and embittered Bremainers.
Regarding your point on Ireland, the possibility of unrest is always bubbling under the surface there and was always going to rise again. I refuse to let the threat of more trouble in Ireland stop me voting my way. The Scots? They can whistle into the wind because they won't get into the EU, it's funny how you talk about racism but ignore the disgraceful attitude the SNP shown towards the English. If anyone has legitimized racism it's the SNP.
The political landscape hasn't changed at all, don't be fooled by 2020, the Blairite's will have reclaimed the Labour party and will no doubt win vs a Teresa May lead Tory party. The political elite will continue to rule the roost. This referendum is the exception not the rule.
I see you have fallen into the trap of thinking it was the EU that prevented war since the end of WW2. It had nothing to do with British and American troops being based in Germany for many years? Furthermore the EU only came into being in 92 so to give them credit for stopping wars is a bit farfetched. The reason we will never again see wars on the scale of WW2 is the threat of nuclear weapons. Nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. The other real reason it's unlikely we'll ever see and Western Europe war again is because of the non-stop 24/7 news coverage and the internet. People aren't the poor helpless saps they were 70 years ago. Do you honestly think ANY western government would be able to convince their population to agree with conscription?
The rise In hate crime can easily be delt with by giving proper punishment's to those who commit crimes of this nature. In fact I'd like to see proper jail terms for people committing such crimes. If the rise in far right governments is coming then it's all the more reason to do something now before it gets to bad. Just shouting down people who are crying out for something to be done is not the answer. People have legitimate concerns over immigration that nobody will answer without using the word racist. This is why the uneducated look to somebody prepared to do something about it, like Trump. If you want to prevent this then the solution is simple: listen to people's concerns, acknowledge that they have a point (and most of the time they do) and help them fix the problem. It doesn't look nice to me at all but I blame the fools who have shut down debates they find uncomfortable and only engage with like minded thinkers who look on with contempt at those who they disagree with.
Your insinuating that everyone voted to leave because of the right wing. Well that's nonsense. I know several members of TUSC who all voted to leave because of the EU's pro austerity stance and their contempt of workers unions. This idea that everyone who voted to leave is a part of some big right wing conspiracy is madness. You talk about being afraid of how things will go with the right wing? Well let me tell you, to just disregard democracy is the most sure fire way to guarantee an extremist government I can think of. Just remember this, it might of been fools and democracy that made Hitler the Chancellor of Germany but it was this same wilful disregard of democracy that made the the fuhrer of the Reich.
