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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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abelard said:
lol

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aka 'reaching out"

liberals.... *sighs*
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People being turds shocker. The fact remains that Europeans looked outwards, and benefited as a result, whereas the Chinese didn't and regressed as a technological force. Whether the Europeans acted nicely or barbarically is kinda irrelevant to the fertilisation of ideas. Shall I put up a cute photo of a gulag and scoff at lefties? :whip:
 
Joey66 said:
We only assemble cars for the big companies, we don't make them that's the problem - we should have realised that giving up our car industry was a disaster waiting to happen our engineering plants have long gone -
indeed, more than half the 30,000 components in an average British-made car come from somewhere else. ... While the supplier base has expanded in recent years, UK automakers still rely on the EU. “We have a huge dependency on Europe,” says Ralf Speth, chief executive of Jaguar Land Rover, Britain's largest car maker.
So you think we will make electric cars from scratch even if we invented the best in the world we would outsource them....
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Why can't we assemble them in the UK?
 
Interestingly a chap from work went to talk with Nancy Pelosi (speaker of the house of representatives) last night. She made the point that Trump can bang on about a UK/US trade agreement as much as he likes, but if the UK in anyway threatens the Belfast Agreement, an agreement wont get through the house.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
People being turds shocker. The fact remains that Europeans looked outwards, and benefited as a result, whereas the Chinese didn't and regressed as a technological force. Whether the Europeans acted nicely or barbarically is kinda irrelevant to the fertilisation of ideas. Shall I put up a cute photo of a gulag and scoff at lefties? :whip:
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Please, but in the right thread mate.
 
Joey66 said:
The remain swing of the like of you are to blame for not accepting the democratic vote - 500 MPs voted article 50 through both main parties with 80 % of the vote election manifestos stated they would implement the referendum result - ask yourself imploding as we have become the laughing stock of the world.....
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The like of me....you haven't been following my position strongly in this thread. I'd also say that the statement is such a lazy generalisation - the sort you seem to get up in arms about when it is on the other foot and people brand leave 'racist'.

I'll ask you again Joey, what future relationship was agreed at the referendum? The intention to leave was given, which if we accept it, was to leave, but what was the consensus future relationship that we voted on?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
People being turds shocker. The fact remains that Europeans looked outwards, and benefited as a result, whereas the Chinese didn't and regressed as a technological force. Whether the Europeans acted nicely or barbarically is kinda irrelevant to the fertilisation of ideas. Shall I put up a cute photo of a gulag and scoff at lefties? :whip:
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Your comment was (tellingly) inaccurate. Europe's relative prosperity is due far more to violence and plunder than the brilliance of its ideas. The capital requirements to finance the industrial revolution were made possible only through systematic torture and slavery, resource extraction at gunpoint, and the violent destruction of commercial rivals; South Asia, for instance, had a more far productive and sophisticated textile industry before the British forcibly dismantled it.

Should I ever say something of equivalent silliness about communism ('Stalin rewarded intellectuals with the opportunity to do more with less') than please feel free to set the record straight.

And with that, back to the real substance of this thread: pointless and repetitive recriminations with the Joebot.
 
abelard said:
Your comment was (tellingly) inaccurate. Europe's relative prosperity is due far more to violence and plunder than the brilliance of its ideas. The capital requirements to finance the industrial revolution were made possible only through systematic torture and slavery, resource extraction at gunpoint, and the violent destruction of commercial rivals; South Asia, for instance, had a more far productive and sophisticated textile industry before the British forcibly dismantled it.

Should I ever say something of equivalent silliness about communism ('Stalin rewarded intellectuals with the opportunity to do more with less') than please feel free to set the record straight.

And with that, back to the real substance of this thread: pointless and repetitive recriminations with the Joebot.
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In the interest of brevity - https://theconversation.com/lessons-in-chinese-history-as-america-shuts-off-from-the-world-99360 . I suppose if there is one thing I would urge, is that there is seldom one way (which is usually your way) of looking at things. Blind men and their elephant and all that. There's quite a lot of research into how ideas and innovations evolve should you be sufficiently motivated to look. The pithiest explanation is Newton's standing on the shoulder of giants, but there is a lot more meat on that bone if you wish to feast on it.
 
Brisan123 said:
@Joey66 ,You have to realise any deal and I mean any deal the EU agree to with Britain will
1) Protect the interests of one its members ,ie the Republic Of Ireland
2) Have a clause and/or condition around the Border between the Republic Of Ireland and Northern Ireland/6 Counties.
To think otherwise is just ignoring the facts.
Farage and Johnson may waffle on about getting the right deal for Britain and technological ways to monitor the border ,but that's all it is waffle.
They hold no power, no aces,they want Brexit the EU don't.
Whatever deal is agreed I can guarantee you this,it will suit the EU and its members more than it will suit Britain.
The Great went out of Great Britain a long time ago and Brexiteers would do well to remember this.
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So negative your just looking at predicting what may go wrong - how can a deal not be done?
our VAT tax differences in Ireland its a spanner in the works by the EU.......
only they want a border no one else......
 
Bruce Wayne said:
In the interest of brevity - https://theconversation.com/lessons-in-chinese-history-as-america-shuts-off-from-the-world-99360 . I suppose if there is one thing I would urge, is that there is seldom one way (which is usually your way) of looking at things. Blind men and their elephant and all that. There's quite a lot of research into how ideas and innovations evolve should you be sufficiently motivated to look. The pithiest explanation is Newton's standing on the shoulder of giants, but there is a lot more meat on that bone if you wish to feast on it.
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If you want to understand Chinese history, a better place to start would be with somebody who actually studies it - and not some business school lecturer who has otherwise never published anything about China, but who no doubt imagines that what's he's read of it in middlebrow business tabloids serves as a pithy moral metaphor for reminding young Economist subscribers that there is only one way, namely 'openess', of looking at things (notwithstanding, of course, that China owes much of its recent ascent to specify defying the policies of 'openess' that business school lecturers and their disciples consider axiomatic).

China's decline is a rather more complicated story than an unwillingness to be 'open' or to 'reach out'. Jonathan Spence is always a classic introduction.
 
Joey66 said:
So negative your just looking at predicting what may go wrong - how can a deal not be done?
our VAT tax differences in Ireland its a spanner in the works by the EU.......
only they want a border no one else......
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joey the last thing the Eu want is a border in Ireland
I'm not saying a deal cant be done ,it can,but it will be on the EU's terms,not Britain's.
The tax difference(I'm assuming you mean corporation tax) is as much an issue for the EU as it is for Britain, but its a sovereign decision by the Irish government and not the EU.
 
abelard said:
If you want to understand Chinese history, a better place to start would be with somebody who actually studies it - and not some business school lecturer who has otherwise never published anything about China, but who no doubt imagines that what's he's read of it in middlebrow business tabloids serves as a pithy moral metaphor for reminding young Economist subscribers that there is only one way, namely 'openess', of looking at things (notwithstanding, of course, that China owes much of its recent ascent to specify defying the policies of 'openess' that business school lecturers and their disciples consider axiomatic).

China's decline is a rather more complicated story than an unwillingness to be 'open' or to 'reach out'. Jonathan Spence is always a classic introduction.
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Touche.
 
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