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[Joey66]

"I only broke my leg, pelvis and sternum and gave myself lifelong brain injuries. But they said I would die if I drove my car into a wall...I've proved them wrong! Another nonesense from 'project Fear'"

What an analogy - sums it up really - if you look forwards sadly these car jobs will go anyway as electric cars will be the future, and this delay of Brexit whether you think its good or not is leaving the UK way behind - its the Japanese who are leading the way in this field not the EU....... OH the snidely go around our back and do a free trade deal with Japan who contribute zero to the EU - yet want us to pay our maximum budget of 16-18 billion per year - Canada get a free budget also ......
the chance we had has slipped away imo ...... Remoaners will go down in history of stopping us trading worldwide .....

 

[edge]

bruce would never have linked this up, as it doesn't go with his agenda.

would have chosen to ignore it and link up a BoE fact instead.

that's if any of them are believable

There are a couple of links in that Article with positive UK news stories, getting away from the brexit argument for a moment does seem a bit odd this money flowing in at this time don't you think?

 

[dead_soft]

really serves the point you're trying to make and the perceived 'victims' can wallow in indignation. Still my point stands; most of those ERG types are cretins. People in a responsible position should know better than to link to speeches of horrible organisations like AfD etc... I don't think you know half how bad they actually are. I don't buy into half-arsed defences saying he doesn't endorse etc... Fact is he/a lot of his associates keep being associated with a whole range of odious figures.

Couple of things here. At no point in this quote is anyone called distasteful. It does, however, call out the leaders of certain groups as being unpleasant. Not you, Joey.

Finally, and this shouldn’t be a very complicated point, I never said any of this.

Odd lie there Joe Joe.

 

[Joey66]

Couple of things here. At no point in this quote is anyone called distasteful. It does, however, call out the leaders of certain groups as being unpleasant. Not you, Joey.

Finally, and this shouldn’t be a very complicated point, I never said any of this.

Odd lie there Joe Joe.

There is a tirade going on there it was late calling people cretins etc ERG they are trying to do what 17.4 million voted for - the other MPs are over 500 of them voted article 50 to leave through then changed their minds for their own aims ...... the UK is in a mess all the MPs have let us down imo.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

What an analogy - sums it up really - if you look forwards sadly these car jobs will go anyway as electric cars will be the future, and this delay of Brexit whether you think its good or not is leaving the UK way behind - its the Japanese who are leading the way in this field not the EU....... OH the snidely go around our back and do a free trade deal with Japan who contribute zero to the EU - yet want us to pay our maximum budget of 16-18 billion per year - Canada get a free budget also ......
the chance we had has slipped away imo ...... Remoaners will go down in history of stopping us trading worldwide .....

Why can't electric cars be made in the UK?

 

[Jebus_lives]

There is a tirade going on there it was late calling people cretins etc ERG they are trying to do what 17.4 million voted for - the other MPs are over 500 of them voted article 50 to leave through then changed their minds for their own aims ...... the UK is in a mess all the MPs have let us down imo.....

Did 17.4m people vote for No deal? You didn't.

 

[Joey66]

Did 17.4m people vote for No deal? You didn't.

If we had negotiated properly and used No deal they would have give us a far better deal end of....

 

[Barnfred 55]

UK tops global ranking for top investment destinations for first time

The UK has been ranked as the top investment destination in the world, knocking the US off the top spot.It is the first time the UK has taken the top spot in the rankings by professional services firm EY in the survey’s 10-year history.In 2018 the UK accounted for 10 per cent of global M&A [...]

www.cityam.com

thought this was a bit strange with all this turmoil going on?

For me this is a bit of a double edged sword mate. If I'm not mistaken, this relates to foreign investment and the UK has always been an attractive proposition in that regard, although it is, as you say a bit strange, that we have knocked the US off top position at a time that we would expect overseas investment to be decreasing. It maybe says more about the US than it does about the UK in fairness.

Whilst it's always nice to attract foreign investment, not all of it is entirely positive as regards production and job creation. A lot of this foreign investment is takeover of UK companies, which can actually end in reduced jobs and production, not to mention a longer term drain in resources as the profits from these companies disappear overseas. Some of our very best medium sized companies are being cherry picked by overseas investors. I'm talking the likes of innovative technology and precision engineering companies that you have probably never heard of.

A prime example of the long term effect of this is the car industry. The UK were once up there with the very best, and to a degree still are in terms of manufacture. The difference now is none of car manufacturing is undertaken by UK owned companies. Even names like Jaguar, Rolls Royce, Mini, Land Rover and Aston Martin are foreign owned. As the motor industry evolves, and automation increases productivity even more, the number of manufacturing plants will reduce and you will see a marked de-globalisation until companies are only manufacturing in their home country. We have seen this started already with Japanese and US firms announcing plans to close plants in UK and Europe. It's been convenient to some to blame Brexit for this, but it's a much bigger problem than that.

 

[Jebus_lives]

If we had negotiated properly and used No deal they would have give us a far better deal end of....

But they all ran away and shouted from the sidelines.

Coupled with the fact that the majority of things they propose(d) are legally suspect...they have wanted no deal all along as it suits them perfectly.

 

[Joey66]

Why can't electric cars be made in the UK?

We only assemble cars for the big companies, we don't make them that's the problem - we should have realised that giving up our car industry was a disaster waiting to happen our engineering plants have long gone -
indeed, more than half the 30,000 components in an average British-made car come from somewhere else. ... While the supplier base has expanded in recent years, UK automakers still rely on the EU. “We have a huge dependency on Europe,” says Ralf Speth, chief executive of Jaguar Land Rover, Britain's largest car maker.
So you think we will make electric cars from scratch even if we invented the best in the world we would outsource them....

 

[Joey66]

But they all ran away and shouted from the sidelines.

Coupled with the fact that the majority of things they propose(d) are legally suspect...they have wanted no deal all along as it suits them perfectly.

The remain swing of the like of you are to blame for not accepting the democratic vote - 500 MPs voted article 50 through both main parties with 80 % of the vote election manifestos stated they would implement the referendum result - ask yourself imploding as we have become the laughing stock of the world.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We only assemble cars for the big companies, we don't make them that's the problem - we should have realised that giving up our car industry was a disaster waiting to happen our engineering plants have long gone -
indeed, more than half the 30,000 components in an average British-made car come from somewhere else. ... While the supplier base has expanded in recent years, UK automakers still rely on the EU. “We have a huge dependency on Europe,” says Ralf Speth, chief executive of Jaguar Land Rover, Britain's largest car maker.
So you think we will make electric cars from scratch even if we invented the best in the world we would outsource them....

a car has a nationality now as well? On my trip to the US Joe, I was at the TMMK facility, which is the largest Toyota plant in the world. I don't think the several thousand people working directly at the plant, plus the thousands more working in the supply chain, regarded themselves as Japanese. This crude nationalism really is extremely silly.

 

[Joey66]

lol a car has a nationality now as well? On my trip to the US Joe, I was at the TMMK facility, which is the largest Toyota plant in the world. I don't think the several thousand people working directly at the plant, plus the thousands more working in the supply chain, regarded themselves as Japanese. This crude nationalism really is extremely silly.

No good laughing Bruce containing ourselves to the EU is stopping us dealing all over the world to get a better price , and deals.... its narrow mindedness that restricts you to be governed by the EU at a price with a 9 billion deficit every year plus they do our wto deal for us and oh the tell us how to spend the other 10 billion we throw in we are their cash cow ..... proven by the way May peed them off they would have just thrown us OUT

 

[Brisan123]

The problem is it will happen again the way our MPs have behaved - plus the EU bureaucrats- PPR needs to be implemented the HOC needs fetching into the 21st century etc etc - The house of Lords needs reducing and being voted in also by PPR ....
It needs a big shake up imo....
Also if an MP is not carrying out the wishes of its constituents...... This mess would not have happened.... and an elected speaker by the people would be a good idea too........

@Joey66 ,You have to realise any deal and I mean any deal the EU agree to with Britain will
1) Protect the interests of one its members ,ie the Republic Of Ireland
2) Have a clause and/or condition around the Border between the Republic Of Ireland and Northern Ireland/6 Counties.
To think otherwise is just ignoring the facts.
Farage and Johnson may waffle on about getting the right deal for Britain and technological ways to monitor the border ,but that's all it is waffle.
They hold no power, no aces,they want Brexit the EU don't.
Whatever deal is agreed I can guarantee you this,it will suit the EU and its members more than it will suit Britain.
The Great went out of Great Britain a long time ago and Brexiteers would do well to remember this.

 

[zzr45]

We only assemble cars for the big companies, we don't make them that's the problem - we should have realised that giving up our car industry was a disaster waiting to happen our engineering plants have long gone -
indeed, more than half the 30,000 components in an average British-made car come from somewhere else. ... While the supplier base has expanded in recent years, UK automakers still rely on the EU. “We have a huge dependency on Europe,” says Ralf Speth, chief executive of Jaguar Land Rover, Britain's largest car maker.
So you think we will make electric cars from scratch even if we invented the best in the world we would outsource them....

For some reason we never seemed to do to well with developing day to day family cars - sports cars, 4x4s we were world class at, but standard day to day production models we were always second best for some reason.